Johan and Ken, Love to help with D2W components where possible. I have several of my own now that ought to be added.
David On 2012-03-29, at 10:16 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote: > It is not only the Problem that we won't share, but > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > For Comitter: > > Create Framework, changes everything in other Frameworks that have to , > commit, done, Hero Mode. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > For Non-Comitter: > > Create Framework, changes everything that has to be changed test it. Use it. > Would like to share > > make first Patch to other Frameworks : wait , wait, wait, Fine > > make next Patch : wait.... > > make next Patch but somebody says we don't need that.... > > Hmm now the Commit can't be done. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > That's the big difference, and I really think it wan't get better. > > > > > > Also Johan, > > if we find a way to work together on your D2W Components I would love to. I > also have about 30 Custom Components. > > Ken > > > On 2012/03/29, at 6:57, Johan Henselmans wrote: > >> >> On Mar 28, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >> >>> >>> Le 2012-03-27 à 19:30, Mike Schrag a écrit : >>> >>>>>>> "I think we should use the funds to pay people to fix issues that the >>>>>>> majority of users are having. The issues will be voted by the community >>>>>>> and the most voted issues will become the highest priorities." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That is not how Wonder was created and now how I expect that it will >>>>>> continue. If you have a problem, learn how to fix it. Then put it in >>>>>> Wonder. >>>>> >>>>> In the past, we had Apple sponsorship and most of the big additions to >>>>> Wonder between 2007 and 2010 came from Apple… We don't have that >>>>> sponsorship anymore, and personally I don't think we will survive if we >>>>> don't pay people for major stuff. I don't think we will survive anyway, >>>>> but that's another story… >>>> Apple funded a VERY small percentage of the contributions to Wonder. >>>> Almost all of the contributions I made came from mDimension donating their >>>> time, bandwidth, and hardware for the good of the community. Frankly, if >>>> Apple hadn't funded the things they did, I would have done them anyway, >>>> because I just enjoyed making things. >>>> >>>> This approach of paying for fixes seems like you're just going to end up >>>> with a collection of bounty hunters instead of a community. On top of >>>> that, there's no way you're going to be able to afford to pay the market >>>> cost for this work. mDimension easily donated a couple hundred thousand >>>> dollars of time if you applied their real hourly rate to the work. So on >>>> top of encouraging people to only give if they get paid, they're going to >>>> be paid crap, so why would anyone even bother? >>>> >>>> I really don't think things are stagnant because of the lack of money. >>>> They're stagnant because the remaining people in the community don't care >>>> enough to contribute. I don't buy any of the "I don't know how to do X" or >>>> "I don't have time to do X." You have to want it. I didn't know how to >>>> write nearly any of what was in WOLips before I started working on WOLips, >>>> and likewise with Wonder. I learned WebObjects working on Wonder. I'm >>>> would wager that everyone who worked on Wonder was in the same category. >>>> Contribution is also positive reinforcement. The coolest times in Wonder >>>> for me were always when one person contributing got someone else energized >>>> to contribute and amazing things were made. >>>> >>>> The real question is: Who is currently NOT contributing because they're >>>> just waiting for a payday to do so? If you're perfectly happy enjoying the >>>> fruits of the community while not giving back to the community, look in >>>> the mirror for the reason it's dying. Either give a shit, or don't be sad >>>> that it dies. >>> >>> I think reasons don't contribute are: >>> >>> 1) Some just don't care and are leachers. Yes, people you can blame me to >>> saying that. But anyway, any community are like that, no community have >>> everyone contributing, it's just plain impossible. >>> >>> 2) People are afraid of contributing. That's one of the reasons of why I >>> added the "integration" branch in Wonder, and doing a "Contributing to the >>> community" talk at WOWODC. >>> >>> 3) People don't have time. That's the answer I got from many WO experts. >>> And I can't do anything about that. >>> >>> So I really don't know how we can improve the situation… >>> >>> >> >> There are two extra reasons that people do not contribute: the scale of the >> project is immense. It is really intimidating to have a look at the project >> and see what is available. This is not a place where people beginning to >> learn a framework would be happy with. >> >> Which leads me to another reason people do not contribute: people get stuck >> in a problem and there is no infrastructure to work together properly. >> >> I have started to build several things I would have liked to contribute to >> Wonder (some localized date-time D2W component and a print as pdf/excel D2W >> component) that i am sure with the help of some people would be fixed in >> half a day. Problem is that from where I am working, the nearest >> approachable WO-developer would be located in Germany, a few hundred miles >> away. >> >> I think an IRC channel, that once was setup, but never practically used, or >> some other 'live' channel that would be available at a specific time would >> get me a lot more productive in contributing stuff. >> >> On the other hand, I am a Casual WebObjects Developer, I spend a few >> hours/days a month tinkering with WebObjects projects, and sometime (like >> now) actually building some new stuff. That might also lead to my pitiful >> contributing situation. Sniff. >> >> Anyway, I think it might be a nice idea to have a place where one can find >> requests to improve Wonder, so that if there is interest, people can pool >> together to get something fixed or build. I think working side to side from >> experienced and less experienced people might lead to more contributions. >> >> For instance: >> I would like to have/use/build a localized time/date component, >> a GoogleMaps/OpenStreetMap component >> and a proper introduction in how to use OpenId version 2 with Wonder. >> >> If anybody is interested in working with me (some experience, bot not into >> the deepest bowls of the frameworks), please let me know. >> >> Something like that. >> >> (Did I just start something?) >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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