Kieran, It is not because I work to much or anything else. I really love and enjoy work and that's fine for me.
I was trying to get together for two reasons. 1. To Contribute 2. To make my life easier, because if there is only one Version than I don't have to maintenance always 2 big frameworks. Ken On 2012/03/30, at 14:42, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > Ken, > > One suggestion: just host your Wodka project on github so that the source is > available to all... > > "WODka: A Wonder variant built for the Japanese market" > > .... and if people want to port elements back,they can cherry-pick stuff they > want. again this puts responsibilities for work on people with *needs and > wants*. Why should you have to worry about it. If you publish and manage the > project you have derived from Wonder on a public open-source platform such as > github, you have done your part. And that is totally understandable since, as > you said, it has diverged so much that it is no longer feasible to merge, and > besides you are over-worked. > > So, can you move Wodka to github to its own account and use github for your > continued development and collaboration with the 8 or so Japanese companies? > > Regards, Kieran > > > > On Mar 30, 2012, at 4:39 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There are two kind of new Contributor >> >> 1. Real wonder or plain WebObjects User, the make some changes and it's done. >> No way that is no big problem and I hope a lot of People will contribute in >> the Future. >> And of course make a Fork, make chances, push done... HAPPY >> >> But I am not one of this group. That's my Problem. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> 2. The good question what is my Problem? >> >> To make it a bit easier, here is a picture. >> >> <WodkaFlow.png> >> >> We are a Group of about 8 Companies who use "wodka" Framework in a lot of >> Projects. Sometimes it is a small >> WebSite, sometimes it is a Million Project in-house. We are usually testing >> most Software very hard, that is way in >> Japan. It has to work. Most Bug-fixes we do inside our Framework, but I had >> only the chance to contribute a few fixes to wonder yet. >> >> Because 7 Companies here are speaking only Japanese, it is only me you can >> see on the List. >> We make a lot translations and javadoc into japanese. >> >> 3 years ago we decide to start use wonder, It was a hard transition, but we >> moved class by class to our framework. Most important classes >> are already full javadoc translated. Of course we don't like warning too. We >> fix warning, and reformat most source for better readability. >> The formatting isn't a big deal, I can provide a sample what we did if you >> like. >> >> On top of Wonder there are sitting a lot of our Classes that we use, like >> Double Byte Conversation a new Hyperlink class and a lot more. >> >> On top of all are about 10 Frameworks. >> >> My workflow : >> >> I am getting change, fixes and requests to create frameworks from the >> Companies. The Frameworks grows every day. But the are all under heavy usage. >> Once a week, I look into the new wonder Source changes, and every line will >> transfer to our Framework version. Line by Line. >> That's also a reason why I know most changes and can support a lot of our >> companies. But it is also a reason to make my life hard, because I have to >> work a lot. 100 hours/week mostly. That's also why I am not always on the >> List, because I have no time, and I have mostly no Question because we try >> to figure >> everything out and that's good for learning new stuff. Off course we are not >> perfect. >> >> Now I was talking to Pascal how we can maybe work more together. And I am >> thinking about it. But it is not done make a fork click click done. >> It is more work, I am willing to help but it was only an idea. To move our >> Frameworks, we have to move the Wonder core changes at first and that one >> class after the next class. >> Git will do nothing for us, because our Code is mostly nice formatted, and >> Git will show 100% changes^^ >> That is not a show-stopper because I do it every day. But it was only an >> idea. We did our Job now for about 10 years (Me 5 years) for WO on our own, >> and we have no Problem to go without getting together. Because new blood and >> new ideas make a Community powerful that's why I try to get together. >> But for our other Members here the don't really care because the don't speak >> english anyway. >> >> Only to understand my Problem that it is not so easy as make a change to the >> CLASSPATH. It is depressive to see people speak about stuff the have no idea. >> >> Ken Ishimoto >> >> >> On 2012/03/29, at 21:03, Lachlan Deck wrote: >> >>> It seems a core concept of smaller building blocks is being overlooked in >>> favour of the monolithic all-or-nothing-one-stop-shop. >>> >>> Wonder, itself is a set of frameworks built ontop of other frameworks/jars. >>> There is no need for 'everything' to live inside Wonder. >>> >>> <sarcasm> >>> There's this neat little feature of java called a classpath that you could >>> 'extend' :) >>> </sarcasm> >>> >>> If you've got your own concentrated and reusable stuff that you want to >>> share, do it: make a framework/jar available, post each version to >>> WOCommunity's maven repo. Write your howto/docs on your project's github >>> page, make it known. Simple. If people like it they'll use it, fork it, >>> contribute back to it. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Lachlan Deck >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ken%40ksroom.com >>> >>> This email sent to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to [email protected]
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