I'm also interested in this comparison and intersection, and glad to share perspective + help. Warmly, SJ
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 1:32 PM Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, you're touching exactly on the problems I had during the evaluation - > I couldn't even figure out what DBpedia is. Thanks, your help will be > very much appreciated. > > OK, I will send a link the week after the next, and then we can start > working on it :) I am very much looking forward to it. > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Sebastian Hellmann < > hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: > >> Na, I am quite open, albeit impulsive. The information given was quite >> good and some of my concerns regarding the involvement of Google were also >> lifted or relativized. Mainly due to the fact that there seems to be a >> sense of awareness. >> >> I am just studying economic principles, which are very powerful. I also >> have the feeling that free and open stuff just got a lot more commercial >> and I am still struggling with myself whether this is good or not. Also >> whether DBpedia should become frenemies with BigTech. Or funny things like >> many funding agencies try to push for national sustainability options, but >> most of the time, they suggest to use the GitHub Platform. Wikibase could >> be an option here. >> >> I have to apologize for the Knowledge Graph Talk thing. I was a bit >> grumpy, because I thought I wasted a lot of time on the Talk page that >> could have been invested in making the article better (WP:BE_BOLD style), >> but now I think, it might have been my own mistake. So apologies for >> lashing out there. >> >> (see comments below) >> On 20.09.19 17:53, Denny Vrandečić wrote: >> >> Sebastian, >> >> "I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..." >> "[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth" >> >> I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from conspiracy >> theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there is anything I can >> say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore there is no real point for >> me in engaging with this conversation on these terms, I cannot see how it >> would turn constructive. >> >> The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record. >> Others tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as not >> fitting your narrative. >> >> So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more constructive and >> forward-looking: >> >> I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and Freebase >> (and since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a bit >> about). Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing dramatically >> fancy. But I am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may (with >> good reasons) dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the simple >> fact that I don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and Freebase >> might indeed have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in the >> evaluation. But you know what would help? >> >> You. >> >> My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and me >> work together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a state we >> both consider correct enough for publication. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Sure, we are doing statistics at the moment as well. It is a bit hard to >> define what DBpedia is nowadays as we are rebranding the remixed datasets, >> now that we can pick up links and other data from the Databus. It might not >> even be a real dataset anymore, but glue between datasets focusing on the >> speed of integration and ease of quality improvement. Also still working on >> the concrete Sync Targets for GlobalFactSync ( >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/DBpedia/GlobalFactSyncRE) >> as well. >> >> One question I have is whether Wikidata is effective/efficient or where >> it is effective and where it could use improvement as a chance for >> collaboration. >> >> So yes any time. >> >> -- Sebastian >> >> >> Cheers, >> Denny >> >> P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry <thadgui...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Thad >>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann < >>> hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Thad, >>>> On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote: >>>> >>>> With my tech evangelist hat on... >>>> >>>> Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the >>>> promotion of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best interest >>>> otherwise no one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate knowledge >>>> for the benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through advertising ... >>>> all while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical and >>>> interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not synonym to >>>> philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing many things >>>> right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate knowledge for >>>> their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of accessibility >>>> for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about what >>>> Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time is also >>>> an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called Human >>>> Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing whether >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Graph is content >>>> marketing or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but no agenda >>>> to resolve the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20% time to >>>> straighten the view into what I believe would be neutral, so pushing it >>>> becomes a resource issue. >>>> >>>> I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective is >>>> yet unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and got >>>> removed from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about Linked >>>> Open Data. Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess spreading >>>> all the Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it prevents the >>>> formation of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition to BigTech. >>>> Wikidata created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also opportunities), but >>>> we are fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not withstand. >>>> Microsoft seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to which degree >>>> Open Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech. >>>> >>>> Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note that >>>> states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make laws and >>>> roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't remove >>>> opposition.) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All the best, >>>> Sebastian Hellmann >>>> >>>> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >>>> Competence Center >>>> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >>>> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >>>> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >>>> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >>>> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt> >>>> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >> -- >> All the best, >> Sebastian Hellmann >> >> Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT) >> Competence Center >> at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University >> Executive Director of the DBpedia Association >> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt> >> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >> Research Group: http://aksw.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266
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