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--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone > To: "WikiEducator" <wikieducator@googlegroups.com> > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM > Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus ebbs and > flows. so > sometimes putting energy into keeping something relevant > and strong is > like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn thing > around, let the > node die... Don't forget the long tail is forever... So > 20 years from > now any resource could again become popular or through time > this > thread could be referenced many times... ;) > > On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, "Leigh Blackall" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "In the beginning there was the word..." :) > > > > In the begining there was the Internet, and the > ability for people to > > publish on it and express themselves. As epxressive > individuals they were > > small nodes, connected by way of the Internet. When > their connections to > > other nodes become stronger, they came closer > together. Over time (and all > > the right agreements) they become close in fact they > were indistinguishable > > from one another. Indivdually they grouped to form a > bigger node, but it is > > now slightly more difficult for them to connect to new > nodes because more of > > their energy is spent refering to each other and > keeping their bigger node > > connected and strong. They are starting to loose the > benefit of being in a > > long tail > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail>. > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Leigh, > > > > > I get your point. And I do agree with you that if > you don't facilitate > > > mash-up practices you reduce connections, and > therefore the network > > > becomes smaller and restrained... openness is the > way... I guess these > > > subtleties are why so much discussion occurs > regarding the meaning of > > > open... > > > > > I also get your point about items that connect > nodes vs. being the > > > nodes themselves. All this said I would think > that Lawrence Lessig at > > > one point would have been considered a node > evangelizing the benefits > > > of a creative commons, through time the CC has > become a part of the > > > conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time a small > group hacking > > > together a photo sharing site (there were a > group). Linux at one time > > > was an individual project... So could it be that > all nodes or conduit > > > technologies start as individuals or small > groups... I seek an example > > > where a network just appeared without it first > being started by a > > > small group or individual... > > > > > Cheers, Peter > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, "Leigh Blackall" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Interesting Peter, I hadn't considered > that list as nodes in a network. I > > > > suppose they are in some ways, but I have > always considered them as the > > > > things that connect the real nodes - the > platforms that facilitate > > > > communication between nodes. > > > > > > Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I see that > as a node or nodes, both > > > > embodied in the content, and in you as the > personal point of contact. K12 > > > > may someday connect with a similar or > complimentary project on > > > Wikispaces.. > > > > with a particular blog post.. a Youtube > video.. another individual who > > > works > > > > on her own space, but through certain > technologies - feeds into K12... > > > etc. > > > > This same networking of information and > people can happen inside a single > > > > platform such as Wikieducator - but I would > question its capacities if it > > > > where only inside Wikied. > > > > > > Things that make the networked > "mission" succeed: Using digital formats > > > > published openly online. Use of CC By to > unrestrict reuse and sampling (I > > > > suspect copyright will be a thing of the > past in the not too distant > > > future, > > > > if Google's approach to it is anything > to go by). > > > > > > Trappings that can undo the flexibility of a > network: Prescribing certain > > > > practices - such as CC By, Open Format > Standards or Open Source Software > > > (as > > > > much as I appreciate their worth, the loss > in potential connections is > > > too > > > > great if we insist on these too much). Not > facilitating "mashup" > > > practices > > > > (embedding 3rd party media). Centralising > services. Policies that police, > > > > and so on. > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Leigh, > > > > > Most Excellent. I agree its time for > those who have been following > > > > > this thread to watch (or re-watch) the > Downes video; > > > > > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 > > > > > And I would agree I see a GROUP > entrenching itself within WE. Not that > > > > > this is a bad thing, it just is. > Though, I do believe a network > > > > > approach will have greater success in > meeting the WE mission. WE can > > > > > only hope that the council also sees it > this way, or maybe they will > > > > > see having a group approach is best for > meeting the challenges of the > > > > > WE mission. I think that encouraging a > NETWORK of educators to utilize > > > > > the WE infrastructure, and then > everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out > > > > > of the way is the best (re: like > WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group > > > > > vs. network and the "ills" > within a group (control, resources, etc...) > > > > > It makes me wonder if this is how > Minhaaj sees profiteering? > > > > > > > A few question that come from all this; > Can a resource node on the > > > > > network be started by a network? Or > have all resource nodes grown out > > > > > of the efforts of an individual or > small group? If you look at the > > > > > current set or resource nodes, most of > them grew from the efforts of > > > > > an individual or small group. Maybe > this is the natural lifecycle of a > > > > > network node. And the challenge for any > node is to transition from > > > > > starting as a group, letting go, and > becoming a network node... > > > > > > > (Examples of resource nodes starting > from individuals or small groups > > > > > would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, Wikipedia, > Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, > > > > > CC...) So what do you think, do all > network nodes start out as small > > > > > groups? > > > > > > > As another Canadian, Thank-you...I > certainly hope this thread plants > > > > > some seeds and allows this important > discussion to become a part of > > > > > the WE consciousness. > > > > > > > Sincerely, Peter > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:06 am, "Leigh > Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Peter, I sense you have it. That > makes me happy :) > > > > > > > > I am just back from a walk in the > mountains, and struggle to find the > > > > > > motivation to explain this any > more. I'm satisfied that I've at least > > > > > > communicated my thoughts to Peter, > and hope he'll carry the ball > > > further. > > > > > I > > > > > > will recommend for a third time to > watch Downes video explaining the > > > > > tension > > > > > > between groups and networks, and > reflect on the controlling > > > influences > > > > > that > > > > > > groups have on us individually - > especially Wikieducator. Sorry if > > > you > > > > > all > > > > > > have watched it - I just see > little evidence of it. > > > > > > > > Legs so sore I can barely keep the > laptop on my lap! Face burnt, > > > mouth > > > > > dry, > > > > > > boots wet. I'll sleep well > tonight! > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 AM, > Derek Chirnside > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well well. Saturday, 6.01am > here, just off to the Coast with two > > > > > bands, > > > > > > > one classic rock and one > progressive rock to play 7 hours at the > > > Empire > > > > > > > Hotel during the 6,000 people > Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever > > > > > disenhanced > > > > > > > (severely today), and very > very tired after the decision this week > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Moodle trial here and the > huge amount of work leading up to this. > > > > > > > > > Then this post comes. The > first words where I think I really can > > > > > engage > > > > > > > wkith this fascinating > discussion, possibly at the risk of missing > > > the > > > > > > > point, but I do have some > things to say. > > > > > > > I'm based at an unusual > institution. They will give us the OK to > > > start > > > > > of > > > > > > > UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a > little fun thing, to give away all the > > > work > > > > > > > from one of my recent > projects, yet quibble over pixel widths on > > > > > learning > > > > > > > pages with branding, and > force a 12 month process when 2 weeks > > > would > > > > > really > > > > > > > be enough to make a decision. > etc. A place of contradictions > > > where I > > > > > am a > > > > > > > minion. Some things (only > some things) are not the best, but I'm > > > > > finding > > > > > > > (vaguely)a place there. > > > > > > > > > I'm a dabbler in WE. In > and out like a yo yo - committed to OER > > > but > > > > > like > > > > > > > some other software > develiopers, mistaking a clear view of the goal > > > > > with the > > > > > > > closeness of it. Some of > your comments probably resonate about why > > > I > > > > > find > > > > > > > it hard at times in the WE > OER environment. > > > > > > > > > BUT: I can't post now > more, got to pack trailors etc, and I'll be > > > away > > > > > from > > > > > > > any internet for 36 hours. > > > > > > > The crunch came three weeks > ago. I was off to do a reccee for the > > > Ross > > > > > > > trip to the Coast. At 27 > hours notice I got a call to run 2 > > > Podcasting > > > > > > > workshops on the coast. I > was already going, so hey, I thought, > > > lets > > > > > do it. > > > > > > > Where to put it was my query? > WE was obvious. Checked out the > > > > > podcasting > > > > > > > stuff. Tried to decide what > to do. Fiddle with it? Copy and > > > adapt > > > > > it? > > > > > > > Work with Podcasting to > create Derek's Podcasting. I had no time > > > to do > > > > > it > > > > > > > this way. How to name my > pages? How to cluster them? How much to > > > > > > > contextualise? Who owns the > page 'podcasting workshop' and can I > > > > > fiddle > > > > > > > with it? Should I start one > as well? > > > > > > > > > This is a trivial context I > know, but they made me face a few of > > > these > > > > > > > questions you are debating > here. > > > > > > > > > OK. Unfinished. > > > > > > > But I have broken the ice. > I'll be back. > > > > > > > If the discussion has not > moved on two much I'll post tomorrow > > > > > afternoon. > > > > > > > I may post even if it has. > :-) > > > > > > > > > -Derek > > > > > > > > > 2008/10/31 Alex P. Real > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Hi Leigh, > > > > > > > > >> Beautiful response, I > really appreciate it <smile>. The scenario > > > > > > >> > product/maintainer/tradeoff is recurrent in many realms, not > just > > > > > software. > > > > > > >> I can only agree to your > reading on collaborative editing, the > > > main > > > > > reason > > > > > > >> why I've refrained > from contributing contents, to see how things > > > work > > > > > and > > > > > > >> avoid potential > uneasiness > > > > ... > > > > read more » > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
