Béria, Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal with known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a category called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs".
Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have subcategories for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists outside of IGESPAR? Jane 2011/8/2 Béria Lima <[email protected]> > Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments ( see here: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Portugal). > > We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need to be under a > "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category. > _____ > *Béria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que > estamos a fazer.* > > > > On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Jane, >> >> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different names >> for essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" (cultural >> heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building heritage >> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three or four >> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a result the >> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that it'd be >> helpful to carry this to Commons. >> >> Kilian >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty >>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that Bas >>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first. >>> >>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the top >>> level category (see the email from Bas): >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs >>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs) >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID >>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs >>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs >>> >>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well, >>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in their country. >>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in those >>> countries. My reasons are as follows: >>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in any >>> country's wikipedia. >>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a >>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's international law >>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need >>> the formal name of the designation. >>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why have >>> a strangely named top-level category that no one understands (including >>> English-speakers)? >>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be consistent >>> across all countries. >>> >>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German >>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is >>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully expected it >>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would expect >>> "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the English >>> Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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