Béria,
The key here is the word "monument". In order for a WLM participant to
upload a photo based on local instructions, he needs an ID number.
Presumeably he/she has found this number from your wonderful Portuguese map
with ID coordinates on your WLM website, am I right?

In the Netherlands, some (not ALL) Rijksmonuments have the number physically
on a brown plaque on the building itself. What do you call this number? I
assume you do not call it "Cultural heritage monument number". In order to
match it to either the IGESPAR or SIPA numbers you will need to have a key
in the ID number, won't you?

I noticed the following situation:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Campo_Pequeno_Lisboa
is tagged with the template {{IGESPAR|74571|type=IIP}}
I would therefore expect to see this category have photo's tagged with this
same number, but for example,
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Campo_Pequeno_lisbon.JPG
is not tagged.
I would expect the category to be placed in a category called
"Category:IGESPAR objects in Lisbon (district)", but I see the category
"Category:Imóveis de Interesse Público in Lisbon (district)" instead.

I suppose the template sub-tag "IIP" stands for "Imóveis de Interesse
Público", so I get that you have broken your designations down by type, but
I am curious how you will instruct the jury to choose foto's if the photo's
themselves are not tagged. Though my Portuguese is pretty bad, I think the
(spectacular) pictures of the bulls themselves, which are also in that
category are not "Imóveis".

Jane

2011/8/3 Béria Lima <[email protected]>

> We have lists outside IGESPAR. The IGESPAR one has 4K monuments, the SIPA
> one almost 40K. We are using both.
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>
> On 3 August 2011 08:39, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Béria,
>> Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling
>> would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal with
>> known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a category
>> called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs".
>>
>> Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have subcategories
>> for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists outside of
>> IGESPAR?
>>
>> Jane
>>
>>
>> 2011/8/2 Béria Lima <[email protected]>
>>
>>> Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments ( see
>>> here:
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Portugal).
>>>
>>> We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need to be under
>>> a "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category.
>>> _____
>>> *Béria Lima*
>>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt>
>>> (351) 963 953 042
>>>
>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
>>> estamos a fazer.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jane,
>>>>
>>>> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different names
>>>> for essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" (cultural
>>>> heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building heritage
>>>> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three or four
>>>> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a result the
>>>> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that it'd 
>>>> be
>>>> helpful to carry this to Commons.
>>>>
>>>> Kilian
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty
>>>>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that 
>>>>> Bas
>>>>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the
>>>>> top level category (see the email from Bas):
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs)
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID
>>>>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs
>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs
>>>>>
>>>>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well,
>>>>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in their country.
>>>>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in those
>>>>> countries. My reasons are as follows:
>>>>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in
>>>>> any country's wikipedia.
>>>>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a
>>>>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's international 
>>>>> law
>>>>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need
>>>>> the formal name of the designation.
>>>>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why
>>>>> have a strangely named top-level category that no one understands 
>>>>> (including
>>>>> English-speakers)?
>>>>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be consistent
>>>>> across all countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German
>>>>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is
>>>>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully expected it
>>>>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would expect
>>>>> "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the
>>>>> English Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte".
>>>>>
>>>>> Jane
>>>>>
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