Béria, The key here is the word "monument". In order for a WLM participant to upload a photo based on local instructions, he needs an ID number. Presumeably he/she has found this number from your wonderful Portuguese map with ID coordinates on your WLM website, am I right?
In the Netherlands, some (not ALL) Rijksmonuments have the number physically on a brown plaque on the building itself. What do you call this number? I assume you do not call it "Cultural heritage monument number". In order to match it to either the IGESPAR or SIPA numbers you will need to have a key in the ID number, won't you? I noticed the following situation: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Campo_Pequeno_Lisboa is tagged with the template {{IGESPAR|74571|type=IIP}} I would therefore expect to see this category have photo's tagged with this same number, but for example, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Campo_Pequeno_lisbon.JPG is not tagged. I would expect the category to be placed in a category called "Category:IGESPAR objects in Lisbon (district)", but I see the category "Category:Imóveis de Interesse Público in Lisbon (district)" instead. I suppose the template sub-tag "IIP" stands for "Imóveis de Interesse Público", so I get that you have broken your designations down by type, but I am curious how you will instruct the jury to choose foto's if the photo's themselves are not tagged. Though my Portuguese is pretty bad, I think the (spectacular) pictures of the bulls themselves, which are also in that category are not "Imóveis". Jane 2011/8/3 Béria Lima <[email protected]> > We have lists outside IGESPAR. The IGESPAR one has 4K monuments, the SIPA > one almost 40K. We are using both. > _____ > *Béria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que > estamos a fazer.* > > > On 3 August 2011 08:39, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Béria, >> Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling >> would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal with >> known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a category >> called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs". >> >> Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have subcategories >> for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists outside of >> IGESPAR? >> >> Jane >> >> >> 2011/8/2 Béria Lima <[email protected]> >> >>> Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments ( see >>> here: >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Portugal). >>> >>> We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need to be under >>> a "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category. >>> _____ >>> *Béria Lima* >>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>> (351) 963 953 042 >>> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que >>> estamos a fazer.* >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jane, >>>> >>>> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different names >>>> for essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" (cultural >>>> heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building heritage >>>> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three or four >>>> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a result the >>>> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that it'd >>>> be >>>> helpful to carry this to Commons. >>>> >>>> Kilian >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty >>>>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that >>>>> Bas >>>>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first. >>>>> >>>>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the >>>>> top level category (see the email from Bas): >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs >>>>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs) >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID >>>>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs >>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs >>>>> >>>>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well, >>>>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in their country. >>>>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in those >>>>> countries. My reasons are as follows: >>>>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in >>>>> any country's wikipedia. >>>>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a >>>>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's international >>>>> law >>>>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need >>>>> the formal name of the designation. >>>>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why >>>>> have a strangely named top-level category that no one understands >>>>> (including >>>>> English-speakers)? >>>>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be consistent >>>>> across all countries. >>>>> >>>>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German >>>>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is >>>>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully expected it >>>>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would expect >>>>> "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the >>>>> English Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". >>>>> >>>>> Jane >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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