There should be country specific subcategories there indeed - you are correct :) I suggest putting this category /in/ your country specific contest template. Not sure if someone already designed one actually to be re-used. Besides that I believe there are some temporary categories involved, like "needs to be included in the lists" etc which involved more manual work but can be done by anyone who knows Wikipedia.
Best, Lodewijk 2011/8/3 Susana Morais <[email protected]> > Hello all, > > I have some questions. For the WLM competition we will ask the participant > to upload the photo with the ID number (he has previously seen in that great > list we have in our site :)). Then the photo will be automatically (?) > tagged under a specific sub-cat in this category > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011, > right? Do the categories need to be more specific for the competition (this > doenst mean we shouldnt be thinking how to organize them better after the > wlm)? I think that it is easier during the WLM to have all photos in the > competition in one simple category (easier for the jury). > > Susana > > > 2011/8/3 Jane Darnell <[email protected]> > >> Béria, >> The key here is the word "monument". In order for a WLM participant to >> upload a photo based on local instructions, he needs an ID number. >> Presumeably he/she has found this number from your wonderful Portuguese map >> with ID coordinates on your WLM website, am I right? >> >> In the Netherlands, some (not ALL) Rijksmonuments have the number >> physically on a brown plaque on the building itself. What do you call this >> number? I assume you do not call it "Cultural heritage monument number". In >> order to match it to either the IGESPAR or SIPA numbers you will need to >> have a key in the ID number, won't you? >> >> I noticed the following situation: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Campo_Pequeno_Lisboa >> is tagged with the template {{IGESPAR|74571|type=IIP}} >> I would therefore expect to see this category have photo's tagged with >> this same number, but for example, >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Campo_Pequeno_lisbon.JPG >> is not tagged. >> I would expect the category to be placed in a category called >> "Category:IGESPAR objects in Lisbon (district)", but I see the category >> "Category:Imóveis de Interesse Público in Lisbon (district)" instead. >> >> I suppose the template sub-tag "IIP" stands for "Imóveis de Interesse >> Público", so I get that you have broken your designations down by type, but >> I am curious how you will instruct the jury to choose foto's if the photo's >> themselves are not tagged. Though my Portuguese is pretty bad, I think the >> (spectacular) pictures of the bulls themselves, which are also in that >> category are not "Imóveis". >> >> Jane >> >> 2011/8/3 Béria Lima <[email protected]> >> >>> We have lists outside IGESPAR. The IGESPAR one has 4K monuments, the SIPA >>> one almost 40K. We are using both. >>> _____ >>> *Béria Lima* >>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>> (351) 963 953 042 >>> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que >>> estamos a fazer.* >>> >>> >>> On 3 August 2011 08:39, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Béria, >>>> Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling >>>> would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal with >>>> known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a category >>>> called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs". >>>> >>>> Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have >>>> subcategories for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists >>>> outside of IGESPAR? >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/8/2 Béria Lima <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments ( see >>>>> here: >>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Portugal). >>>>> >>>>> We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need to be >>>>> under a "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category. >>>>> _____ >>>>> *Béria Lima* >>>>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >>>>> (351) 963 953 042 >>>>> >>>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >>>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que >>>>> estamos a fazer.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jane, >>>>>> >>>>>> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different >>>>>> names for essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" >>>>>> (cultural heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building >>>>>> heritage >>>>>> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three or four >>>>>> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a result >>>>>> the >>>>>> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that >>>>>> it'd be >>>>>> helpful to carry this to Commons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kilian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty >>>>>>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues >>>>>>> that Bas >>>>>>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the >>>>>>> top level category (see the email from Bas): >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs) >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID >>>>>>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs >>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well, >>>>>>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in their >>>>>>> country. >>>>>>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> countries. My reasons are as follows: >>>>>>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in >>>>>>> any country's wikipedia. >>>>>>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a >>>>>>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's >>>>>>> international law >>>>>>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> the formal name of the designation. >>>>>>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why >>>>>>> have a strangely named top-level category that no one understands >>>>>>> (including >>>>>>> English-speakers)? >>>>>>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be >>>>>>> consistent across all countries. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German >>>>>>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is >>>>>>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully expected >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would expect >>>>>>> "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the >>>>>>> English Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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