We have lists outside IGESPAR. The IGESPAR one has 4K monuments, the SIPA one almost 40K. We are using both. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 3 August 2011 08:39, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > Béria, > Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling > would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal with > known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a category > called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs". > > Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have subcategories > for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists outside of > IGESPAR? > > Jane > > > 2011/8/2 Béria Lima <[email protected]> > >> Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments ( see here: >> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Portugal). >> >> We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need to be under a >> "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category. >> _____ >> *Béria Lima* >> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> >> (351) 963 953 042 >> >> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter >> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que >> estamos a fazer.* >> >> >> >> On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jane, >>> >>> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different names >>> for essentially the same thing. Some just have "Kulturdenkmale" (cultural >>> heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale" ("building heritage >>> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three or four >>> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a result the >>> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that it'd be >>> helpful to carry this to Commons. >>> >>> Kilian >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is pretty >>>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other issues that >>>> Bas >>>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these categories first. >>>> >>>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in the top >>>> level category (see the email from Bas): >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs >>>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known IDs) >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID >>>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs >>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs >>>> >>>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names well, >>>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in their country. >>>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term in those >>>> countries. My reasons are as follows: >>>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not defined anywhere, in any >>>> country's wikipedia. >>>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by a >>>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's international >>>> law >>>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper designation, we need >>>> the formal name of the designation. >>>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so why have >>>> a strangely named top-level category that no one understands (including >>>> English-speakers)? >>>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be consistent >>>> across all countries. >>>> >>>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the German >>>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian monuments is >>>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in Österreich)", when I fully expected it >>>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". On Commons I would expect >>>> "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with known IDs", and in the >>>> English Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte". >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu >
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