Hi Ada,

Our dev tested and deployed a fix that hopefully also resolved your
situation.
Please let me know if the jurors are able to finalize their round now!

Best,
Ciell
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Op do 16 okt 2025 om 10:17 schreef Ada Skirło <[email protected]>:

> Hi Ciell,
> We voted on all the photos we could. Unfortunately, we still have 8 photos
> that we couldn't evaluate... We wanted to close the round by skipping them
> (as Giovanni suggested), but I don't see that option on our coordinator
> view. I guess the reason is that the voting is ‘incomplete’. On Github
> <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/342>, they suggest creating a
> new campaign and adding the results of round 1 as a new round. Can you
> create a new campaign for us, and we will add the results of our vote
> there? Or do you recommend another solution?
>
> *(I am also writing to everyone because someone else may have a similar
> problem)*
>
> Warmest regards,
>
>
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> śr., 15 paź 2025 o 11:17 Ciell Wikipedia <[email protected]>
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>> Hi,
>>
>> There are multiple reasons why Montage can struggle to deliver all
>> photographs to the jurors.
>> Of course, there can be problems with the tool itself, and with the
>> server, but some are also caused by (changes to) the files on Commons. The
>> most common problem is when files have been renamed on Commons during the
>> ongoing jury process. Another one is uncommon characters in the file names,
>> though this seems to happen less and less: for this devs have been helped
>> greatly by Github reports that after inspection could be narrowed down to a
>> single photograph that hindered the finalisation of the round.
>>
>> I suspect the former might be the reason the two jurors in the Poland
>> campaign are not able to finish their round, since they both have only two
>> images to go. Please report the problem on Github
>> <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues>: if my assumption is
>> correct, this needs a helping hand from the developers on the backend of
>> the tool. Since the third jury member is only half way of his judging, you
>> may want to consider replacing them: devs can help shed light on the errors
>> they were receiving, and if they were temporary. Just remember to not
>> simply remove them from the open round, because that would mean all his
>> remaining tasks would be re-distributed between the remaining jury members!
>> For more information, please see the coordinator view section
>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Montage#Coordinator_view> on
>> the Commons tool page about replacing jury members.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ciell
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>> Op wo 15 okt 2025 om 09:56 schreef Ada Skirło via WikiLovesMonuments <
>> [email protected]>:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>> In Poland, we also have a problem that significantly hinders our
>>> selection process.
>>> Out of 25 people voting, nine had the programme freeze on the last or
>>> penultimate photo. Refreshing, clearing cookies or logging in again in a
>>> different browser (which helped when the programme froze in the middle of
>>> voting) does not work.
>>> Do you have any advice? What can we do to finish this and move on to the
>>> next round of voting?
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> *Ada Skirło*
>>>
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>>> śr., 8 paź 2025 o 16:21 Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]>
>>> napisał(a):
>>>
>>>> Dear Lodewijk,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Also in personal capacity, I can only say that further tests
>>>> of Montage are not my priority at the moment, because I have a round of
>>>> over 20000 images to complete, with Montage or without.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Alexander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08-Oct-25 17:25, effe iets anders wrote:
>>>> > Thanks Alexander,
>>>> >
>>>> > This has been helpful, and I've tried to make them as reproducible
>>>> > as possible to make fixing them easier. Montage is driven by
>>>> volunteer
>>>> > developers though, and unfortunately both active developers have
>>>> > currently a lot going on - we hope to get some of the low hanging
>>>> fruit
>>>> > out of the way - but it's not possible to make a hard commitment.
>>>> >From
>>>> > what I understand, we expect some improvements to happen over the
>>>> next
>>>> > weeks. Nobody likes this situation, but it's also a reality of open
>>>> > source volunteer-driven development. I understand that this is
>>>> > disappointing.
>>>> >
>>>> > There are currently two things people can do to help:
>>>> > * Help find the reproduction steps: if the developer knows exactly
>>>> which
>>>> > set of steps to perform to find the bug, that helps them a lot and
>>>> saves
>>>> > a lot of time in searching. We have a beta-version of the platform in
>>>> > parallel, which you could use to test out these issues in more
>>>> detail,
>>>> > if you're interested. It might be the case that some of the
>>>> experiences
>>>> > you're having an interaction with the fact that you have very big
>>>> > campaigns. If we know that something is a problem with a campaign of
>>>> > 10000 images, but the same juror does not have this problem with 100
>>>> > images, that is incredibly helpful in finding the root cause.
>>>> > * If there are other developers that want to help out, I would
>>>> encourage
>>>> > them to reach out (see GitHub <https://github.com/hatnote/montage>).
>>>> >
>>>> > It is also helpful that you're indicating which issues are the
>>>> biggest
>>>> > problems, this does help with prioritization.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > Lodewijk
>>>> > (writing this in a personal capacity - just doing my best to help
>>>> out!)
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:02 AM Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]
>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >     Dear Ciell and all,
>>>> >
>>>> >     In the last days, we submitted two new bug reports (#330 and 331).
>>>> >     Regrettably, there was no response, nor was there any visible
>>>> activity
>>>> >     on the previous ones. Even their priorities were not assigned. For
>>>> >     example, it is dismaying to see that the voting statistics (#325)
>>>> >     has no
>>>> >     priority.
>>>> >
>>>> >     What makes things worse is that the two last bug reports are not
>>>> about
>>>> >     mere inconveniences in the grading process. They basically make
>>>> the
>>>> >     grading impossible, at least within our campaign #965. We are not
>>>> sure
>>>> >     what causes these issues and why they were not seen before. With
>>>> 20000+
>>>> >     images, the campaign is quite big compared to any of the WLE
>>>> campaigns,
>>>> >     and these critical issues started to appear after a few thousands
>>>> of
>>>> >     images have been voted. However, we could certainly handle over
>>>> 20000
>>>> >     images before. The inability to do it now is truly discouraging.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Therefore, I would like to ask again on the concrete timeline for
>>>> >     addressing these issues. We need a clear perspective. Otherwise,
>>>> we
>>>> >     will
>>>> >     have to search for alternative solutions, because Montage (in its
>>>> >     current version) is unusable at the moment, at least for us.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Thank you in advance,
>>>> >     Alexander
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >     On 05-Oct-25 18:03, Ciell Wikipedia wrote:
>>>> >      > Thanks for submitting the issues in Github both!
>>>> >      > It's interesting that these did not surface in previous Montage
>>>> >      > campaigns we had this year. Since the new front-end,  and the
>>>> >     backend
>>>> >      > update, we already had Wiki Loves Folklore, Wiki Loves Earth
>>>> and
>>>> >     Wiki
>>>> >      > Loves Africa, plus several smaller photo competitions that use
>>>> >     the tool
>>>> >      > for their jury process. The developers are now accessing the
>>>> >     cause of
>>>> >      > these errors, and will follow up accordingly.
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      > Best,
>>>> >      > Ciell
>>>> >      >
>>>> >
>>>>  
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> >      > *If you're born a lion, don't bother trying to act tame *
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      > Op za 4 okt 2025 om 14:59 schreef Giovanni Pennisi
>>>> >      > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
>>>> >
>>>> >     <mailto:[email protected]
>>>> >     <mailto:[email protected]>>>:
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     Hello,
>>>> >      >     one of my collaborator (for WLM in Sicily) added a report
>>>> on
>>>> >     GitHub
>>>> >      >     aswell (https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/327
>>>> >     <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/327> <https://
>>>> >      > github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/327 <
>>>> http://github.com/hatnote/
>>>> >     montage/issues/327>>).
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     I'm writing here to follow up for the point number 3 and 4:
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     3. About the "previous votes editing" it is true that you
>>>> can
>>>> >     only see
>>>> >      >     15 images; ok for performance reason but I'd expect or a
>>>> >     "load more"
>>>> >      >     button or multiple pages scrolling. Maybe a bit related,
>>>> >     sometimes it
>>>> >      >     says also "thank you, you voted the full set" while it is
>>>> not
>>>> >     true or
>>>> >      >     the loading is delayed.
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     4. Interface errors – keyboard voting causes UI jumping
>>>> (When
>>>> >     voting
>>>> >      >     with the keyboard arrows, the interface jumps up and down
>>>> >      >     continuously):
>>>> >      >     as you know, is possible to accept or decline an image also
>>>> >     with up or
>>>> >      >     down arrow; without a large screen, the page (especially
>>>> the
>>>> >     right
>>>> >      >     column with informations) will not be fully displayed but
>>>> >     will have a
>>>> >      >     scroll bar, so when pressing the arrows (especially if you
>>>> >     alternative
>>>> >      >     upvote and decline) the content will move up and down.
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     Both Antonino (who submitted the issue on GitHub) and I
>>>> have
>>>> >     already
>>>> >      >     completed round one, so we're unable to record a video to
>>>> >     demonstrate
>>>> >      >     the (minor) issue.
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     As the campaign coordinator, I'd also like to point out
>>>> that the
>>>> >      >     "Voting
>>>> >      >     Details" tab is empty and does not display the pie chart
>>>> with
>>>> >     the votes.
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     Best regards,
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     Giovanni Pennisi (User:GiovanniPen)
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >
>>>> >      >     Il 04/10/2025 02:24 Alexander Tsirlin ha scritto:
>>>> >      >      > Dear Ciell,
>>>> >      >      >
>>>> >      >      > Thank you. I created 8 bug reports on Github. When can
>>>> we
>>>> >     expect
>>>> >      >     them
>>>> >      >      > to be addressed?
>>>> >      >      >
>>>> >      >      > best,
>>>> >      >      > Alexander
>>>> >      >      >
>>>> >      >      >
>>>> >      >      > On 04-Oct-25 2:29, Ciell Wikipedia wrote:
>>>> >      >      >> Hi Alexander,
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >> The new frontend was implemented in March 2025, and has
>>>> >     several new
>>>> >      >      >> features as the favorite-button, and a translatable
>>>> >     interface. The
>>>> >      >      >> backend also received an update, in December 2024. The
>>>> >     best way to
>>>> >      >      >> reach our developers for your Montage bug reports is
>>>> >     through this
>>>> >      >      >> Github page: https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues
>>>> >     <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues> <https://
>>>> >      > github.com/hatnote/montage/issues <http://github.com/hatnote/
>>>> >     montage/issues>>
>>>> >      >      >> <https://github.com/hatnote/ <
>>>> https://github.com/hatnote/
>>>> >      > <https://github.com/hatnote/ <https://github.com/hatnote/>>
>>>> >      >     montage/issues>
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >> Best,
>>>> >      >      >> Ciell
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >
>>>> >
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>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >> Op vr 3 okt 2025 om 16:53 schreef Alexander Tsirlin
>>>> >      >      >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> >      >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>:
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     Hello!
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     The interface of Montage has changed this year, and
>>>> >     many of
>>>> >      >     these
>>>> >      >      >>     changes are mediocre, as our jurors report:
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     1. 'Skip' button does not put the photo in the end
>>>> of
>>>> >     the line.
>>>> >      >      >>     Instead,
>>>> >      >      >>     the same photo is displayed again after 2-3 other
>>>> photos.
>>>> >      >      >> Effectively,
>>>> >      >      >>     there is no way to leave a photo for later
>>>> >     consideration, so
>>>> >      >     the
>>>> >      >      >> 'Skip'
>>>> >      >      >>     button is not useful any more.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     2. 'Edit previous photos' can not be opened in a
>>>> separate
>>>> >      >     tab in
>>>> >      >      >> the
>>>> >      >      >>     browser. One has to open it in the same tab, then
>>>> >     return to the
>>>> >      >      >> voting,
>>>> >      >      >>     and wait until it loads. That's very annoying.
>>>> >     Moreover, a
>>>> >      >      >> misleading
>>>> >      >      >>     message 'All done! You voted on all photos...'
>>>> appears
>>>> >      >     during the
>>>> >      >      >>     loading.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     3. The 'Edit votes' window no longer contains links
>>>> >     to the
>>>> >      >     images.
>>>> >      >      >> Once
>>>> >      >      >>     you vote on an image, you can't open it in full
>>>> size
>>>> >     any more.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     4. 'Edit previous photos' window loads very slowly,
>>>> >      >     sometimes it
>>>> >      >      >> loads
>>>> >      >      >>     the last 15 photos only. That was not the case in
>>>> the
>>>> >     past.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     5. The threshold value for the image resolution can
>>>> >     not be set
>>>> >      >      >> during
>>>> >      >      >>     the import. The default value of 2 MP is used
>>>> implicitly.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     6. Importing images produces an optimistic message
>>>> 'Round
>>>> >      >      >> successfully
>>>> >      >      >>     created', along with an empty round that returns an
>>>> >     error upon
>>>> >      >      >> pressing
>>>> >      >      >>     the 'Activate' button. Only after a delay of 2-3
>>>> min
>>>> >     do the
>>>> >      >     photos
>>>> >      >      >>     appear, but during this period it's impossible to
>>>> see if
>>>> >      >     they are
>>>> >      >      >> being
>>>> >      >      >>     imported, or an error occurred during the import.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     What is the best way to reach the current
>>>> developer of
>>>> >      >     Montage and
>>>> >      >      >> get
>>>> >      >      >>     these things fixed on a short notice? Ideally, I
>>>> >     would ask to
>>>> >      >      >> bring
>>>> >      >      >>     back
>>>> >      >      >>     the old interface, because it worked much better
>>>> than the
>>>> >      >     current
>>>> >      >      >> one.
>>>> >      >      >>     In fact, I did not notice any improvements in the
>>>> new
>>>> >      >     interface.
>>>> >      >      >> All
>>>> >      >      >>     the
>>>> >      >      >>     old bugs (incomprehensible errors during import,
>>>> error
>>>> >      >     messages on
>>>> >      >      >>     deleting the round, etc.) are still there, so the
>>>> >     benefits
>>>> >      >     of the
>>>> >      >      >> new
>>>> >      >      >>     interface are not entirely clear to me at this
>>>> point.
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     Thank you in advance!
>>>> >      >      >>
>>>> >      >      >>     best,
>>>> >      >      >>     Alexander
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