Hi Ciell, We voted on all the photos we could. Unfortunately, we still have 8 photos that we couldn't evaluate... We wanted to close the round by skipping them (as Giovanni suggested), but I don't see that option on our coordinator view. I guess the reason is that the voting is ‘incomplete’. On Github <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/342>, they suggest creating a new campaign and adding the results of round 1 as a new round. Can you create a new campaign for us, and we will add the results of our vote there? Or do you recommend another solution?
*(I am also writing to everyone because someone else may have a similar problem)* Warmest regards, *Ada Skirło* *Senior Technology Specialist* tel: +48 790 290 275 e-mail:[email protected] Support free knowledge! <https://wikimedia.pl/darowizny/> Make a donation to Wikipedia <https://wikimedia.pl/darowizny/> wikimedia.pl al. Szucha 16/15, 00-580 Warszawa, Polska <https://goo.gl/maps/R5LidcMYNs4T1qJv5> KRS 0000244732 NIP 728-25-97-388 Information on processing can be found in the Privacy Policy. Contact: [email protected] śr., 15 paź 2025 o 11:17 Ciell Wikipedia <[email protected]> napisał(a): > Hi, > > There are multiple reasons why Montage can struggle to deliver all > photographs to the jurors. > Of course, there can be problems with the tool itself, and with the > server, but some are also caused by (changes to) the files on Commons. The > most common problem is when files have been renamed on Commons during the > ongoing jury process. Another one is uncommon characters in the file names, > though this seems to happen less and less: for this devs have been helped > greatly by Github reports that after inspection could be narrowed down to a > single photograph that hindered the finalisation of the round. > > I suspect the former might be the reason the two jurors in the Poland > campaign are not able to finish their round, since they both have only two > images to go. Please report the problem on Github > <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues>: if my assumption is correct, > this needs a helping hand from the developers on the backend of the tool. > Since the third jury member is only half way of his judging, you may want > to consider replacing them: devs can help shed light on the errors they > were receiving, and if they were temporary. Just remember to not simply > remove them from the open round, because that would mean all his remaining > tasks would be re-distributed between the remaining jury members! For more > information, please see the coordinator view section > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Montage#Coordinator_view> on > the Commons tool page about replacing jury members. > > Best, > Ciell > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > *If you're born a lion, don't bother trying to act tame * > > > Op wo 15 okt 2025 om 09:56 schreef Ada Skirło via WikiLovesMonuments < > [email protected]>: > >> Hi! >> In Poland, we also have a problem that significantly hinders our >> selection process. >> Out of 25 people voting, nine had the programme freeze on the last or >> penultimate photo. Refreshing, clearing cookies or logging in again in a >> different browser (which helped when the programme froze in the middle of >> voting) does not work. >> Do you have any advice? What can we do to finish this and move on to the >> next round of voting? >> >> Warmest regards, >> >> >> *Ada Skirło* >> >> >> *Senior Technology Specialist* >> >> >> tel: +48 790 290 275 >> >> e-mail:[email protected] >> >> >> >> >> Support free knowledge! <https://wikimedia.pl/darowizny/> >> >> Make a donation to Wikipedia <https://wikimedia.pl/darowizny/> >> >> wikimedia.pl >> >> al. Szucha 16/15, 00-580 Warszawa, Polska >> <https://goo.gl/maps/R5LidcMYNs4T1qJv5> >> >> KRS 0000244732 >> >> NIP 728-25-97-388 >> >> Information on processing can be found in the Privacy Policy. Contact: >> [email protected] >> >> śr., 8 paź 2025 o 16:21 Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected]> >> napisał(a): >> >>> Dear Lodewijk, >>> >>> Thank you. Also in personal capacity, I can only say that further tests >>> of Montage are not my priority at the moment, because I have a round of >>> over 20000 images to complete, with Montage or without. >>> >>> best, >>> Alexander >>> >>> >>> On 08-Oct-25 17:25, effe iets anders wrote: >>> > Thanks Alexander, >>> > >>> > This has been helpful, and I've tried to make them as reproducible >>> > as possible to make fixing them easier. Montage is driven by volunteer >>> > developers though, and unfortunately both active developers have >>> > currently a lot going on - we hope to get some of the low hanging >>> fruit >>> > out of the way - but it's not possible to make a hard commitment. >>> >From >>> > what I understand, we expect some improvements to happen over the next >>> > weeks. Nobody likes this situation, but it's also a reality of open >>> > source volunteer-driven development. I understand that this is >>> > disappointing. >>> > >>> > There are currently two things people can do to help: >>> > * Help find the reproduction steps: if the developer knows exactly >>> which >>> > set of steps to perform to find the bug, that helps them a lot and >>> saves >>> > a lot of time in searching. We have a beta-version of the platform in >>> > parallel, which you could use to test out these issues in more detail, >>> > if you're interested. It might be the case that some of the >>> experiences >>> > you're having an interaction with the fact that you have very big >>> > campaigns. If we know that something is a problem with a campaign of >>> > 10000 images, but the same juror does not have this problem with 100 >>> > images, that is incredibly helpful in finding the root cause. >>> > * If there are other developers that want to help out, I would >>> encourage >>> > them to reach out (see GitHub <https://github.com/hatnote/montage>). >>> > >>> > It is also helpful that you're indicating which issues are the biggest >>> > problems, this does help with prioritization. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Lodewijk >>> > (writing this in a personal capacity - just doing my best to help out!) >>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:02 AM Alexander Tsirlin <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Ciell and all, >>> > >>> > In the last days, we submitted two new bug reports (#330 and 331). >>> > Regrettably, there was no response, nor was there any visible >>> activity >>> > on the previous ones. Even their priorities were not assigned. For >>> > example, it is dismaying to see that the voting statistics (#325) >>> > has no >>> > priority. >>> > >>> > What makes things worse is that the two last bug reports are not >>> about >>> > mere inconveniences in the grading process. They basically make the >>> > grading impossible, at least within our campaign #965. We are not >>> sure >>> > what causes these issues and why they were not seen before. With >>> 20000+ >>> > images, the campaign is quite big compared to any of the WLE >>> campaigns, >>> > and these critical issues started to appear after a few thousands >>> of >>> > images have been voted. However, we could certainly handle over >>> 20000 >>> > images before. The inability to do it now is truly discouraging. >>> > >>> > Therefore, I would like to ask again on the concrete timeline for >>> > addressing these issues. We need a clear perspective. Otherwise, we >>> > will >>> > have to search for alternative solutions, because Montage (in its >>> > current version) is unusable at the moment, at least for us. >>> > >>> > Thank you in advance, >>> > Alexander >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 05-Oct-25 18:03, Ciell Wikipedia wrote: >>> > > Thanks for submitting the issues in Github both! >>> > > It's interesting that these did not surface in previous Montage >>> > > campaigns we had this year. Since the new front-end, and the >>> > backend >>> > > update, we already had Wiki Loves Folklore, Wiki Loves Earth and >>> > Wiki >>> > > Loves Africa, plus several smaller photo competitions that use >>> > the tool >>> > > for their jury process. The developers are now accessing the >>> > cause of >>> > > these errors, and will follow up accordingly. >>> > > >>> > > Best, >>> > > Ciell >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > *If you're born a lion, don't bother trying to act tame * >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Op za 4 okt 2025 om 14:59 schreef Giovanni Pennisi >>> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>>: >>> > > >>> > > Hello, >>> > > one of my collaborator (for WLM in Sicily) added a report on >>> > GitHub >>> > > aswell (https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/327 >>> > <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/327> <https:// >>> > > github.com/hatnote/montage/issues/327 < >>> http://github.com/hatnote/ >>> > montage/issues/327>>). >>> > > >>> > > I'm writing here to follow up for the point number 3 and 4: >>> > > >>> > > 3. About the "previous votes editing" it is true that you >>> can >>> > only see >>> > > 15 images; ok for performance reason but I'd expect or a >>> > "load more" >>> > > button or multiple pages scrolling. Maybe a bit related, >>> > sometimes it >>> > > says also "thank you, you voted the full set" while it is >>> not >>> > true or >>> > > the loading is delayed. >>> > > >>> > > 4. Interface errors – keyboard voting causes UI jumping >>> (When >>> > voting >>> > > with the keyboard arrows, the interface jumps up and down >>> > > continuously): >>> > > as you know, is possible to accept or decline an image also >>> > with up or >>> > > down arrow; without a large screen, the page (especially the >>> > right >>> > > column with informations) will not be fully displayed but >>> > will have a >>> > > scroll bar, so when pressing the arrows (especially if you >>> > alternative >>> > > upvote and decline) the content will move up and down. >>> > > >>> > > Both Antonino (who submitted the issue on GitHub) and I have >>> > already >>> > > completed round one, so we're unable to record a video to >>> > demonstrate >>> > > the (minor) issue. >>> > > >>> > > As the campaign coordinator, I'd also like to point out >>> that the >>> > > "Voting >>> > > Details" tab is empty and does not display the pie chart >>> with >>> > the votes. >>> > > >>> > > Best regards, >>> > > >>> > > Giovanni Pennisi (User:GiovanniPen) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Il 04/10/2025 02:24 Alexander Tsirlin ha scritto: >>> > > > Dear Ciell, >>> > > > >>> > > > Thank you. I created 8 bug reports on Github. When can we >>> > expect >>> > > them >>> > > > to be addressed? >>> > > > >>> > > > best, >>> > > > Alexander >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > On 04-Oct-25 2:29, Ciell Wikipedia wrote: >>> > > >> Hi Alexander, >>> > > >> >>> > > >> The new frontend was implemented in March 2025, and has >>> > several new >>> > > >> features as the favorite-button, and a translatable >>> > interface. The >>> > > >> backend also received an update, in December 2024. The >>> > best way to >>> > > >> reach our developers for your Montage bug reports is >>> > through this >>> > > >> Github page: https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues >>> > <https://github.com/hatnote/montage/issues> <https:// >>> > > github.com/hatnote/montage/issues <http://github.com/hatnote/ >>> > montage/issues>> >>> > > >> <https://github.com/hatnote/ < >>> https://github.com/hatnote/ >>> > > <https://github.com/hatnote/ <https://github.com/hatnote/>> >>> > > montage/issues> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Best, >>> > > >> Ciell >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > >> *If you're born a lion, don't bother trying to act tame >>> * >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Op vr 3 okt 2025 om 16:53 schreef Alexander Tsirlin >>> > > >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>: >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Hello! >>> > > >> >>> > > >> The interface of Montage has changed this year, and >>> > many of >>> > > these >>> > > >> changes are mediocre, as our jurors report: >>> > > >> >>> > > >> 1. 'Skip' button does not put the photo in the end >>> of >>> > the line. >>> > > >> Instead, >>> > > >> the same photo is displayed again after 2-3 other >>> photos. >>> > > >> Effectively, >>> > > >> there is no way to leave a photo for later >>> > consideration, so >>> > > the >>> > > >> 'Skip' >>> > > >> button is not useful any more. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> 2. 'Edit previous photos' can not be opened in a >>> separate >>> > > tab in >>> > > >> the >>> > > >> browser. One has to open it in the same tab, then >>> > return to the >>> > > >> voting, >>> > > >> and wait until it loads. That's very annoying. >>> > Moreover, a >>> > > >> misleading >>> > > >> message 'All done! You voted on all photos...' >>> appears >>> > > during the >>> > > >> loading. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> 3. The 'Edit votes' window no longer contains links >>> > to the >>> > > images. >>> > > >> Once >>> > > >> you vote on an image, you can't open it in full size >>> > any more. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> 4. 'Edit previous photos' window loads very slowly, >>> > > sometimes it >>> > > >> loads >>> > > >> the last 15 photos only. That was not the case in >>> the >>> > past. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> 5. The threshold value for the image resolution can >>> > not be set >>> > > >> during >>> > > >> the import. The default value of 2 MP is used >>> implicitly. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> 6. Importing images produces an optimistic message >>> 'Round >>> > > >> successfully >>> > > >> created', along with an empty round that returns an >>> > error upon >>> > > >> pressing >>> > > >> the 'Activate' button. Only after a delay of 2-3 min >>> > do the >>> > > photos >>> > > >> appear, but during this period it's impossible to >>> see if >>> > > they are >>> > > >> being >>> > > >> imported, or an error occurred during the import. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> What is the best way to reach the current developer >>> of >>> > > Montage and >>> > > >> get >>> > > >> these things fixed on a short notice? Ideally, I >>> > would ask to >>> > > >> bring >>> > > >> back >>> > > >> the old interface, because it worked much better >>> than the >>> > > current >>> > > >> one. >>> > > >> In fact, I did not notice any improvements in the >>> new >>> > > interface. >>> > > >> All >>> > > >> the >>> > > >> old bugs (incomprehensible errors during import, >>> error >>> > > messages on >>> > > >> deleting the round, etc.) are still there, so the >>> > benefits >>> > > of the >>> > > >> new >>> > > >> interface are not entirely clear to me at this >>> point. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Thank you in advance! >>> > > >> >>> > > >> best, >>> > > >> Alexander >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > > >> WikiLovesMonuments mailing list -- >>> > > >> [email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > > <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> > > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>> > > <mailto:[email protected] >>> > 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