Hello, >In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It >should made >available as non default. Agree wholeheartedly. Inscript is really a very intuitive method of typing Indic languages. I have been using this for more than six years now and find it so much better than phonetic typing. As an early adopter, I did have my reservations but within a few short days/weeks, I was convinced this is the way to go. As for typing complexity, remember that even the qwerty keyboard took some (or a lot) getting used to the first time we started. The beauty of Inscript is that it can be used with *any* Indic language. No matter if you're typing Marathi, Gujarati, Punjabi, Hindi or any other similar language, the key-bindings remain (almost) the same in all cases. Since this is now supported by most major operating system out-of-the-box, there's no java-script to load and no other softwares to slow down your computer. There are many other advantages I can harp on, but I don't think this is the time or place to do so. >1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and >thus it is our >duty to encourage it's use. I am not sure I support the do-it-because-govt-says-so line. Inscript stands on its own merit. GOI makes many stupid decisions and implements many idiotic policies, but endorsing Inscript is *not* one of them :) I support making Inscript the default and letting users choose any other input mechanism that they choose and are willing to work around. As Shiju and others have suggested, let's put this on w:mr and gauge people's reactions to see if there are any other points we may be missing. A poll thereafter should settle this. Regards, Abhay
>2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. >4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available >schemes differ with >each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non >standard method >as default. It should be available as non default. --- On Tue, 12/13/11, Shiju Alex <[email protected]> wrote: From: Shiju Alex <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mr-wiki] Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia To: [email protected] Cc: "Mailing list for Wikimedians in Pune, India" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 3:50 AM I think by default tool is OFF. The end user need to select the option according to his/her preference. My suggestion is to continue with that option. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default. Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one. Regards -Sudhanwa On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex <[email protected]> wrote: Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians. We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users. The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki. 2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni <[email protected]> I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements. Saleel Kulkarni From: सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM To: Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia Cc: Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; [email protected]; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; [email protected]; V Narsikar; [email protected]; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; [email protected]; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Rahuldeshmukh101; [email protected]; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; [email protected]; v padhye; [email protected]; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; [email protected]; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; [email protected] Subject: Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default. 1. Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default. Sushant 2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia <[email protected]> Dear All >From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to >make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous >users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply >because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they >usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system. the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.net . We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion. Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion. Regards mahitgar ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 --- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal <[email protected]> 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0) > Dear All , > Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent > Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at > [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs10rUYkYU/edit] > > > Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam extension > on > Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please see > Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/विकिपीडिया:कौल ) The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected. > 1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered users > and all users for upto 500 edit We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count. > 2) The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all namespaces > including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and references This should be ok. > 3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes specialy > "type=create" group The extension will be enabled in all editable fields. > 4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows > non-default option Transliteration is the default one. > 5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins. > 6. Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User Creation > and User Login Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category. > 7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia sysops at > local level No, The extension does not provide this feature. If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You reported the bug. -- सुशान्त शं. देवळेकर (www.vechak.org) आता सांगायला कोणतंही कारण उरलेलं नाही. आळस हा कधीच समर्थनीय नसतो. मराठी दिसायला आता कशाचीही आडकाठी नाही. (www.yunikodatunmarathi.blogspot.com) मराठी लिहायला आपल्या सोयीचे कळपाट वापरता येतात. 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