Keep in mind that the projects on Y are brainstorms/seeds -- so it is important to keep that in perspective. By the time they've evolved they often look radically different.
That said I think there is kernel of truth there. Our components solve often every problem with one solution. We do need a way to code on top of wikis, but that is not necessarily the same thing as a tool to quickly add/remove text. But we tend to think of them as one. Do we need a better interface for writing components of top of wikis -- I'd think so. Do we need a better way to edit text -- for sure. Are those two the same thing? Lila On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Perpetuating it with a dedicated IDE wouldn't help it go away. > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, "Martijn Hoekstra" <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > כתב: > > > On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Because, even though I'm well aware of the fact that lots of > experienced > > > wikipedians love wiki syntax, the wiki syntax must go away, and will go > > > away. Maybe in five years, maybe ten, maybe twenty. But it will go > away. > > > Investing effort in an IDE for it is pointless. > > > > So fortunately we didn't invest in something five years ago with an > > expected lifespan of 10 to 25 years? > > > > > > > > Templates are, indeed, programs. Articles aren't. Wikidata and Winter > (or > > > something like Winter) will remove the need to edit transclusions as > part > > > of the articles' source code in maybe three years (maybe much less). > > > Development should focus on that, rather than on an IDE for a language > > that > > > should as soon as possible become transparent to all editors. > > > > > > (This is not an official representation of the Wikimedia Foundation's > > > opinion.) > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, "Martijn Hoekstra" < > martijnhoeks...@gmail.com > > > > > > כתב: > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" < > > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise > somebody > > > > could > > > > > get the awful idea to implement it. > > > > > > > > Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound > like > > an > > > > aweful idea at all to me. I'm quite surprised anyone would find that > > aweful > > > > actually. I don't understand why you're so dismissive of that idea. > > > > > > > > --Martijn > > > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 18:26, "Kim Bruning" <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> > > כתב: > > > > > > > > > > > I spotted this article linked from news.ycombinator.com, > > > > > > arguing -well- what it says on the tin. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies if someone else already posted a link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/wikipedia-needs-an-ide-not-a-wysiwyg-editor-7acd85b582c8 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure <scratches head>. Well, if we allow lua in > templates, > > > > > > I suppose things actually are already pretty Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > Kim Bruning > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
