People Who Are Able to Edit Articles But Not to Code dismiss wiki syntax much more than I do.
Most of them don't even bother to begin to understand it. The few who do are a rare exception. A wiki syntax IDE will not "go a long way", as the article says, in helping them edit. They will still be forced to do mental mapping from [[]] to links, from ==== to headings, and so on, even if it's shown side-by-side. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-10-25 21:22 GMT+03:00 Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com>: > On Oct 25, 2014 8:03 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> > wrote: > > > > Perpetuating it with a dedicated IDE wouldn't help it go away. > > I doubt that. Side by side wikitext and result, making you see the result > of either in the other in real time could help adoption of wysiwyg > techniques, help improve them, and help people ease in to using them. Your > wonton dismissiveness is worrysome to me. > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, "Martijn Hoekstra" <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com > > > > כתב: > > > > > On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Because, even though I'm well aware of the fact that lots of > experienced > > > > wikipedians love wiki syntax, the wiki syntax must go away, and will > go > > > > away. Maybe in five years, maybe ten, maybe twenty. But it will go > away. > > > > Investing effort in an IDE for it is pointless. > > > > > > So fortunately we didn't invest in something five years ago with an > > > expected lifespan of 10 to 25 years? > > > > > > > > > > > Templates are, indeed, programs. Articles aren't. Wikidata and Winter > (or > > > > something like Winter) will remove the need to edit transclusions as > part > > > > of the articles' source code in maybe three years (maybe much less). > > > > Development should focus on that, rather than on an IDE for a > language > > > that > > > > should as soon as possible become transparent to all editors. > > > > > > > > (This is not an official representation of the Wikimedia Foundation's > > > > opinion.) > > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, "Martijn Hoekstra" < > martijnhoeks...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > כתב: > > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" < > > > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise > somebody > > > > > could > > > > > > get the awful idea to implement it. > > > > > > > > > > Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound > like > > > an > > > > > aweful idea at all to me. I'm quite surprised anyone would find > that > > > aweful > > > > > actually. I don't understand why you're so dismissive of that idea. > > > > > > > > > > --Martijn > > > > > > בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 18:26, "Kim Bruning" <k...@bruning.xs4all.nl> > > > כתב: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spotted this article linked from news.ycombinator.com, > > > > > > > arguing -well- what it says on the tin. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies if someone else already posted a link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://medium.com/@MrJamesFisher/wikipedia-needs-an-ide-not-a-wysiwyg-editor-7acd85b582c8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure <scratches head>. Well, if we allow lua in > templates, > > > > > > > I suppose things actually are already pretty Interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > Kim Bruning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
