Kevin, I disagree with nothing you’ve said here. What I disagreed with was the characterization that “certainly” something untoward had taken place.
pb > On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Philippe - > > I totally agree with you that none of my experiences with WMF suggest that > such a thing is likely to happen. Organizations and people change over > time, though - similarly, this is the first time a sitting trustee has been > dismissed. Given the unusuality of the situation, in my opinion at least, > given the *drastic* seriousness that something like deliberately > withholding documents in such a manner under California state law (I can't > speak with familiarity about Florida NPO governance,) and the fact that > both the BoT and James could pretty easily give flat out answers to the > question of whether or not they think it occurred, I think it's worth > asking for those answers. > > If James and the BoT agree that such withholding took place, I think it > demands an outside review of WMF governance. If James thinks it did, but > the rest of the BoT disagrees.. given the general respect held for James' > and the seriousness of the charge, I think an outside review of WMF > governance is *still* probably reasonably necessary. If neither thinks > such withholding took place, then it settles a serious charge quite simply. > > Best, > KG > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 7:01 PM, <phili...@beaudette.me> wrote: > >> I don't believe that's "very clear" at all. You yourself said "If what >> Ben said is true...." I think it's very possible - to the extent that Ben >> cautioned against it himself - that this may be a misunderstanding. >> >> In my nearly seven years at the WMF I never once saw corruption of the >> sort you suggest. Not once. And I think it's safe to say I was well >> connected. >> >> -- >> Philippe Beaudette >> philippe.beaude...@icloud.com >> >>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Comet styles <cometsty...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> We should probably start with our high and mighty leader, Jimbo, just >>> like everyone else, He should now be 'elected' into the BoT, no more >>> free seats..Wikimedia has now grown to an extent where we may no >>> longer need him to run the foundation or to hold a deciding vote on >>> issues where he has his own interests in..This problem of lacking >>> transparency has leaked down to the lower levels of wikimedia as well, >>> is that the example they are going to set? .. As I said before, the >>> longer this drags on, the more likelihood of a 'manufactured' truth >>> coming out.. >>> >>> People who do wrong need time to come up with a good lie....everyone >>> knows this..James spoke the moment he was "fired" for which he was >>> reprimanded by the same authority that 'fired' him...If what Ben >>> Creasy said is true, then its definitely not James on the wrong here >>> and I'd be really effing pissed if he was made a 'scapegoat' by the >>> powers that be to save their own useless hide..Its very clear that >>> there is corruption at the highest order at WMF....the question is.. >>> How deep does it go? .. >>> >>> -- >>> Cometstyles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
