I ask the question because, unless you've been living in a back-drop down-under or something, <snigger>, you would probably have heard of companies who run so-called server or other platforms whose illicit purpose is to gather unsolicited data regarding those who use the solution. Once that data is gathered, they proceed to sell and otherwise abuse the data without the knowledge or consent of the owners of that data. Google is a case in point. They are probably the world's largest search engine now. Yet still, they deploy tracking cookies which give them a breakdown of a user's Internet activities.
Who, including myself, is to say that Freedom Scientific doesn't do likewise? I made the point that I do not have any reason at this time to suspect them of any illicit motives. However, I am cautious and usually, by definition I'm afraid, very guarded. Kind regards <--- Gordon Smith ---> <[email protected]> Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 / +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> Skype: <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> ------------------------------ On 22 Apr 2013, at 02:56, Dane trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: > Well why ask the question then if you don't suspect anything. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 11:52 AM > To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! > Subject: Re: Is Jaws Tanden Safe? > > You're missing the point Dane. All I am asking is whether or not Freedom > Scientific's server-based solution is safe. I have no reason to suspect the > contrary, I'm just asking a question. So no need to get on the high horse > or become all defensive, LOL. > > > Kind regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > > <[email protected]> > > Telephone: > > United Kingdom: Free Phone: > 0800 8620538 > > Mobile: > +44 7907 823971 > > Europe and other non-specified: > +44 1642 688095 > > United States Of America And Canada: > +1 646 9151493 > / > +1 209 436 9443 > > Vic. Australia: > +61 38 8205930 > Vic. Australia > +61 39 0284505 > > Fax: > +44 1642 365123 > > Follow Us On Twitter: > <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> > > Skype: > <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 02:49, Dane trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not here to debate trivial points, I have a firewall and I do what >> I can and in the meantime? JAWS Tandem allows others to help me and me >> to help others, something you appreciate being in the teaching profession > I'm sure! >> >> If there were any problems with security on the GW Micro or Freedom >> Scientific servers and word got out? Well then they'd be hell to pay. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon >> Smith >> Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 11:42 AM >> To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! >> Subject: Re: Is Jaws Tanden Safe? >> >> Bigt question, how do you know it isn't? >> >> Kind regards >> >> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Telephone: >> >> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >> 0800 8620538 >> >> Mobile: >> +44 7907 823971 >> >> Europe and other non-specified: >> +44 1642 688095 >> >> United States Of America And Canada: >> +1 646 9151493 >> / >> +1 209 436 9443 >> >> Vic. Australia: >> +61 38 8205930 >> Vic. Australia >> +61 39 0284505 >> >> Fax: >> +44 1642 365123 >> >> Follow Us On Twitter: >> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >> >> Skype: >> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> On 22 Apr 2013, at 02:36, Dane trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No, I don't see problems with port forwarding but other people do, >>> everyone isn't as Tech minded as you or I are so that's the problem, >>> a lot of people can't even use their computer let alone configure a > router. >>> >>> As for security? Well its no worse than anything else around. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon >>> Smith >>> Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 11:33 AM >>> To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! >>> Subject: Re: JAWS tandem >>> >>> Hi Dane >>> >>> What bothers me here is probably just my own paranoia. However, I >>> would certainly not be comfortable with using internal network >>> infrastructure functionality via a third-party server. I personally >>> don't see what the problem is with forwarding one port in the >> router/firewall configuration. >>> After all, you yourself have used that method for years, as have many. >>> I personally have used RDPm, as it used to be called, and also Citrix >>> on main frame machines with a great deal of success for many years >>> now. Granted, I haven't done so in a while but I'd have no problem >>> trying this. I'd love to get my hands on a Jaws demo system so that >>> I could try this actually. I am certainly not condemning what I >>> haven't ever used. Unfortunately, however, I'm not prepared to pay >>> out the license fee so I'd probably be looking to try and get it from >>> Access to >> Work if I could. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> Telephone: >>> >>> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >>> 0800 8620538 >>> >>> Mobile: >>> +44 7907 823971 >>> >>> Europe and other non-specified: >>> +44 1642 688095 >>> >>> United States Of America And Canada: >>> +1 646 9151493 >>> / >>> +1 209 436 9443 >>> >>> Vic. Australia: >>> +61 38 8205930 >>> Vic. Australia >>> +61 39 0284505 >>> >>> Fax: >>> +44 1642 365123 >>> >>> Follow Us On Twitter: >>> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >>> >>> Skype: >>> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21 Apr 2013, at 16:04, Dane Trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If I may come in here given I think I'm responsible for starting the >>> thread <smile>. >>>> >>>> What Gordon was using is called Remote Desktop and I understand that >>> Freedom Science Fiction were charging extra for that functionality in >>> JAWS etc, not sure whether this is still the case or not. >>>> >>>> We're talking here of JAWS Tandem - in the Window-Eyes world its >>>> called >>> Remote Assistance - where a user asks for help and another user "Offers" >>> help, a password is then exchanged between the 2 users of tandem and >>> a connection established between the 2 users via the Freedom Science >>> Fiction Tandem server. >>>> >>>> When connection is made the user who made the "Offer" of help is >>>> able to >>> control the other computer and thus get feedback. >>>> >>>> The nice thing about Tandem - apart from the obvious power and >>>> flexibility >>> of the system - is that both parties don't have to do anything >>> special to their systems, that is to say no ports need to be opened, >>> no special Windows functions or features need to be enabled etc, wish >>> I could say the same for the Window-Eyes Remote Assistance functions, >>> I've managed to get the system working but it took some time, >>> installing this, reinstalling that etc and even now connections are >> problematic. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21/04/2013, at 9:00 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Chris >>>>> >>>>> Is this a standard function of Jaws now? I always understood it to >>>>> cost >>> extra. However, Gordon has had great success with Window-Eyes in this >>> regard although yes, it does involve making a slight change to your >>> router's configuration in most case. >>>>> >>>>> Lynne >>>>> >>>>> On 14 Apr 2013, at 08:42, chris h (sky) <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> . I admit the Tandem feature in Jaws is excellent for its purpose, >>>>>> to >>> provide support remotely to another Jaws user. This was one reason >>> why I bought Jaws back when it was version 10, plus a Sma, just so i >>> can take advantage of the Tandem function to help, amongst others, my >>> best friend who lives all the way in Bolton while I live in >>> Derbyshire. I will stress this is the only, and I mean only, time I >>> really need Jaws. Other than that it's Nvda for me. I also bought >>> Window-Eyes in the hopes of taking advantage of their Remote >>> Assistance solution, but since later versions of 7.5, all hopes were >>> lost, since they now expect you or the recipient to configure the >>> router so that the ports are forwarded. This is ridiculous in my view >>> and shows the lack of respect between Gw Micro and those who do not >>> have a clue on how to forward ports. With Tandem, it just works. 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