I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked together and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each other and their businesses.
There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. However there are a series of options to explore... Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get access @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with lowest cost access ?" ... Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there are 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a lot less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet Access... e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To purchase IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE THEIR MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP Transit from a Competitive provider.. In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a "Fat Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the folks who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a GIGE is $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: > I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I > pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. > > On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >> Scott >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net> >> *To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >> >> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection >> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as >> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections >> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> >> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>> >>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work >>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. >>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My >>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a >>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me. >>> >>> Friendly Regards, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>> >>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday! >>> Regards, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net >>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is >>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>> business... >>> >>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a >>> cache >>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business >>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may >>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>> > On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> > >>> >> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches >>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be >>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP >>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from >>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>> > Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just >>> create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? >>> Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which >>> only allows caching of sites you choose. >>> > >>> > If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP >>> then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). >>> With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the >>> requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your >>> Squid box. >>> > >>> > Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If >>> your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting >>> the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Blake Covarrubias >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > WISPA Wants You! 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