I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that truly have limited options.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked together > and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each > other and their businesses. > > There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. > However there are a series of options to explore... > > Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local > alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get access > @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with lowest > cost access ?" ... > > Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there are > 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a lot > less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet Access... > > e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To purchase > IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE THEIR > MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP > Transit from a Competitive provider.. > > In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a "Fat > Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out > Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to > purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the folks > who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. > > Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less > expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a GIGE is > $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet& Telecom > > > On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: >> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I >> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. >> >> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >>> Scott >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net> >>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>> >>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection >>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as >>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections >>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work >>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. >>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My >>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a >>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me. >>>> >>>> Friendly Regards, >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>> >>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday! >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<t...@ida.net >>>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is >>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>>> business... >>>> >>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a >>>> cache >>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business >>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may >>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>>> > On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches >>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be >>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP >>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from >>>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>>> > Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just >>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? >>>> Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which >>>> only allows caching of sites you choose. >>>> > >>>> > If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP >>>> then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). >>>> With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the >>>> requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your >>>> Squid box. >>>> > >>>> > Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If >>>> your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting >>>> the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Blake Covarrubias >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > WISPA Wants You! 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