Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers.
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote: > There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the > 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop > trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by > the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing > things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates > simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the > agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are > in alignment. > > In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the ISP, > and they are billing the 'downstream' isp. > > e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of > Atlanta.... and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP > Transit out of Miami, etc... > > The key area of contentions are two .... > > 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and > not going to dip out on the contract. > > 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each > other and have a high level of Trust between each other. > > ----------- > Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' > with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and > leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each > other's POP's... > > And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are > building them out.... > > It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower > when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is > 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa. > > ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those > tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local > ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / > upgrade or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds > of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far > better business practice than the alternative. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: >> Faisal- >> >> I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet >> backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to >> engage in business with carriers. >> >> Any input is appreciated. >> >> Ryan >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>> >>> Mike, >>> Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. >>> >>> FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as >>> well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held >>> by >>> other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the >>> contract for. >>> >>> We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases >>> getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out >>> of Miami... >>> >>> If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / >>> Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be >>> more >>> than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best >>> option. >>> >>> I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other >>> Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. >>> >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>> >>> >>> On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to >>>> hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that >>>> truly have limited options. >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked >>> together >>>>> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each >>>>> other and their businesses. >>>>> >>>>> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. >>>>> However there are a series of options to explore... >>>>> >>>>> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local >>>>> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get >>> access >>>>> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with >>> lowest >>>>> cost access ?" ... >>>>> >>>>> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there >>> are >>>>> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a >>> lot >>>>> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet >>> Access... >>>>> >>>>> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To >>> purchase >>>>> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE >>> THEIR >>>>> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP >>>>> Transit from a Competitive provider.. >>>>> >>>>> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a >>> "Fat >>>>> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out >>>>> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to >>>>> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the >>> folks >>>>> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. >>>>> >>>>> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less >>>>> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a >>> GIGE is >>>>> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: >>>>>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 >>> meg. I >>>>>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >>>>>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net> >>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 >>> connection >>>>>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average >>> $50/meg as >>>>>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated >>> connections >>>>>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would >>> work >>>>>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness >>> (i.e. >>>>>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. >>> My >>>>>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So >>> even a >>>>>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply >>> to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Friendly Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> ------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>> Hogg >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up >>> everyday! >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<t...@ida.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. >>> Bandwidth is >>>>>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>>>>>>> business... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, >>> etc. a >>>>>>>> cache >>>>>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a >>> business >>>>>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional >>> bandwidth it may >>>>>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the >>> headaches >>>>>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to >>> be >>>>>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a >>> certain IP >>>>>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming >>> from >>>>>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>>>>>>>> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain >>> sites. Just >>>>>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to >>> maintain? >>>>>>>> Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL >>> which >>>>>>>> only allows caching of sites you choose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a >>> single IP >>>>>>>> then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid- >>> cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). >>>>>>>> With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as >>> if the >>>>>>>> requests were sourced directly from a client instead of >>> your >>>>>>>> Squid box. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using >>> WCCP. If >>>>>>>> your Squid box dies the router automatically stops >>> redirecting >>>>>>>> the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web >>> normally. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Blake Covarrubias >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> ------------------------- >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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