Pricing here is what I think is competitive. 100meg for 2800.00 but I am looking for a second connection so it never hurts.
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote: > I would suggest some of the following as starting points... > > 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport > provider. > > 2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any > took out right of way permits for Fiber installs. > > 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them. > > 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask > questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g. can u provide me with > Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address XXXX) ? the answer may > be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then > you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with > Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of > y$.... You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$.... > > 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that > are willing to work with you in a joint manner. > > 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller > LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major > Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E > transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what > it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > > > On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from >> me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz<fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote: >> >>> There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the >>> 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop >>> trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by >>> the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing >>> things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates >>> simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the >>> agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are >>> in alignment. >>> >>> In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the ISP, >>> and they are billing the 'downstream' isp. >>> >>> e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of >>> Atlanta.... and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP >>> Transit out of Miami, etc... >>> >>> The key area of contentions are two .... >>> >>> 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and >>> not going to dip out on the contract. >>> >>> 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each >>> other and have a high level of Trust between each other. >>> >>> ----------- >>> Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' >>> with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and >>> leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each >>> other's POP's... >>> >>> And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are >>> building them out.... >>> >>> It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower >>> when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is >>> 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa. >>> >>> ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those >>> tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local >>> ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / >>> upgrade or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds >>> of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far >>> better business practice than the alternative. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>> >>> >>> On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: >>>> Faisal- >>>> >>>> I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet >>>> backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used >>>> to engage in business with carriers. >>>> >>>> Any input is appreciated. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>> >>>>> Mike, >>>>> Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as >>>>> well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held >>>>> by >>>>> other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the >>>>> contract for. >>>>> >>>>> We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases >>>>> getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out >>>>> of Miami... >>>>> >>>>> If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / >>>>> Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be >>>>> more >>>>> than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best >>>>> option. >>>>> >>>>> I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other >>>>> Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to >>>>>> hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that >>>>>> truly have limited options. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>>> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked >>>>> together >>>>>>> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each >>>>>>> other and their businesses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. >>>>>>> However there are a series of options to explore... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local >>>>>>> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get >>>>> access >>>>>>> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with >>>>> lowest >>>>>>> cost access ?" ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there >>>>> are >>>>>>> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a >>>>> lot >>>>>>> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet >>>>> Access... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To >>>>> purchase >>>>>>> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE >>>>> THEIR >>>>>>> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP >>>>>>> Transit from a Competitive provider.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a >>>>> "Fat >>>>>>> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out >>>>>>> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to >>>>>>> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the >>>>> folks >>>>>>> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less >>>>>>> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a >>>>> GIGE is >>>>>>> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: >>>>>>>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 >>>>> meg. I >>>>>>>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>>>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >>>>>>>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net> >>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 >>>>> connection >>>>>>>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average >>>>> $50/meg as >>>>>>>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated >>>>> connections >>>>>>>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would >>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness >>>>> (i.e. >>>>>>>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. >>>>> My >>>>>>>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So >>>>> even a >>>>>>>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply >>>>> to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Friendly Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>>> Hogg >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up >>>>> everyday! >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<t...@ida.net >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. >>>>> Bandwidth is >>>>>>>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>>>>>>>>> business... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, >>>>> etc. a >>>>>>>>>> cache >>>>>>>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a >>>>> business >>>>>>>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional >>>>> bandwidth it may >>>>>>>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the >>>>> headaches >>>>>>>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to >>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a >>>>> certain IP >>>>>>>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming >>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>>>>>>>>>> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain >>>>> sites. Just >>>>>>>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. 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