I would suggest some of the following as starting points... 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport provider.
2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any took out right of way permits for Fiber installs. 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them. 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g. can u provide me with Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address XXXX) ? the answer may be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of y$.... You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$.... 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that are willing to work with you in a joint manner. 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from me > on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz<fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote: > >> There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the >> 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop >> trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by >> the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing >> things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates >> simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the >> agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are >> in alignment. >> >> In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the ISP, >> and they are billing the 'downstream' isp. >> >> e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of >> Atlanta.... and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP >> Transit out of Miami, etc... >> >> The key area of contentions are two .... >> >> 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and >> not going to dip out on the contract. >> >> 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each >> other and have a high level of Trust between each other. >> >> ----------- >> Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' >> with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and >> leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each >> other's POP's... >> >> And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are >> building them out.... >> >> It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower >> when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is >> 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa. >> >> ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those >> tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local >> ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / >> upgrade or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds >> of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far >> better business practice than the alternative. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet& Telecom >> >> >> On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote: >>> Faisal- >>> >>> I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet >>> backwater. I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to >>> engage in business with carriers. >>> >>> Any input is appreciated. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>> >>>> Mike, >>>> Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in. >>>> >>>> FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as >>>> well.... I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held >>>> by >>>> other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the >>>> contract for. >>>> >>>> We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases >>>> getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out >>>> of Miami... >>>> >>>> If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / >>>> Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be >>>> more >>>> than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best >>>> option. >>>> >>>> I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other >>>> Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal. Most don't want to >>>>> hear it and would rather keep crying. I've only found a couple that >>>>> truly have limited options. >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>> I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked >>>> together >>>>>> and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each >>>>>> other and their businesses. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone. >>>>>> However there are a series of options to explore... >>>>>> >>>>>> Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local >>>>>> alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in "I want to get >>>> access >>>>>> @ this location " vs.. "@ Which location can you provide me with >>>> lowest >>>>>> cost access ?" ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there >>>> are >>>>>> 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a >>>> lot >>>>>> less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet >>>> Access... >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To >>>> purchase >>>>>> IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE >>>> THEIR >>>>>> MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP >>>>>> Transit from a Competitive provider.. >>>>>> >>>>>> In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a >>>> "Fat >>>>>> Pipe" (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out >>>>>> Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to >>>>>> purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the >>>> folks >>>>>> who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less >>>>>> expensive...e.g 10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a >>>> GIGE is >>>>>> $1200....Unless you ask then explicitly... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: >>>>>>> I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 >>>> meg. I >>>>>>> pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>>>> Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over >>>>>>>> $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. >>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> *From:* Travis Johnson<mailto:t...@ida.net> >>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 >>>> connection >>>>>>>> (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average >>>> $50/meg as >>>>>>>> my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated >>>> connections >>>>>>>> to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>>> I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would >>>> work >>>>>>>>> in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness >>>> (i.e. >>>>>>>>> farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. >>>> My >>>>>>>>> biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So >>>> even a >>>>>>>>> statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply >>>> to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Friendly Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>> Hogg >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up >>>> everyday! >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson<t...@ida.net >>>>>>>>> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. >>>> Bandwidth is >>>>>>>>> CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this >>>>>>>>> business... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, >>>> etc. a >>>>>>>>> cache >>>>>>>>> proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a >>>> business >>>>>>>>> connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional >>>> bandwidth it may >>>>>>>>> save me. And I can do this every day. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the >>>> headaches >>>>>>>>> (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to >>>> be >>>>>>>>> cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a >>>> certain IP >>>>>>>>> address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming >>>> from >>>>>>>>> the cache server IP, etc.). >>>>>>>>>> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain >>>> sites. Just >>>>>>>>> create an ACL to deny caching them. 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