Those are both good examples of what I had in mind.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Sam Tetherow <tethe...@shwisp.net> wrote:

> Do you have a particular company in mind?  The only companies that I
> know of that are using dongles (somewhat successfully) are cellular
> companies.  They are using licensed frequencies that cost in hundreds of
> millions of dollars, assuming you can find any for sale.  The last
> public sale was parts of the 700MHz spectrum in 2009 which was purchased
> primarily by cellular companies (AT&T and Verizon for instance spent
> billions for their slices of 700MHz).   The equipment cost is expensive
> as well with base stations in the tens of thousands of dollars and I'm
> sure the dongles are probably in the $100-200/unit range as well.
>
>
> Rich _ wrote:
> > How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are they using
> > something other than a WISP?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow <tethe...@shwisp.net
>  > <mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Rich,
> >     Given current gear, FCC regulations and available spectrum, outside
> of
> >     reselling cellular you are not going to going to find anything you
> >     will
> >     be able to reliable allow the customer to self-install.  Trust me,
> >     there
> >     are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to figure that
> >     one out
> >     since this industry started.
> >
> >     As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest business model to
> >     what you are looking for, and even with their deep pockets and
> >     licensed
> >     spectrum they are having a tough time making it work.  And I think
> >     it is
> >     precisely because they are choosing to go the route that you are
> >     looking
> >     for.
> >
> >     If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it as traditional,
> >     professionally installed fixed wireless setup they would probably
> >     have a
> >     working business model.  Sure their return on investment would be
> >     higher
> >     due to the installer cost, but if they took a dish-network model to
> >     getting installs done they would only be looking at 3-6 months break
> >     even on the install cost and considering the amount of money that has
> >     already been poured into the business I would think that would be
> >     a drop
> >     in the bucket.
> >
> >     Rich _ wrote:
> >     > Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA.
> >     >
> >     > But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm
> >     located.
> >     > I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success
> >     for the
> >     > business.
> >     >
> >     > Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A
> >     technical
> >     > partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope
> >     > available equipment is quite stable and reliable?
> >     >
> >     > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
> >     <fai...@snappydsl.net <mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net>
>  >     > <mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net <mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net>>>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Hi Rich,
> >     >     WISPA General List is actually a Global List.
> >     >     It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to
> >     you if
> >     >     you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City
> >     if in
> >     >     the US.
> >     >
> >     >     My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs
> >     was to
> >     >     suggest that you should consider some other business other than
> >     >     being a WISP.
> >     >
> >     >     However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds
> >     like you
> >     >     may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical
> >     Partner
> >     >     to build a business together.
> >     >
> >     >     The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough
> >     >     business to be in if you are not going to roll up your
> >     sleeves and
> >     >     get your hands dirty.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     Regards and Good Luck.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     Faisal Imtiaz
> >     >     Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >     >     7266 SW 48 Street
> >     >     Miami, Fl 33155
> >     >     Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
> >     <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
> >     >     Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 <tel:305%20663%205518>
> >     <tel:305%20663%205518> option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
> >     <mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net <mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net>>
>  >     >
> >     >
> >     >     On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote:
> >     >>     Hello,
> >     >>
> >     >>     I operate in the custom software development industry and am
> >     >>     considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I
> >     >>     know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of
> >     >>     you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll
> be
> >     >>     glad to answer any software development questions you may have
> >     >>     that I can answer or that I can get an answer for.
> >     >>
> >     >>     I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the
> >     >>     low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals
> >     above and
> >     >>     beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to
> >     ever
> >     >>     install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself.
> >     >>
> >     >>     What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My
> >     >>     first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for
> the
> >     >>     customer to start using the service. If there is a particular
> >     >>     hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that
> >     >>     would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola
> >     they're up
> >     >>     and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a
> >     >>     licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from
> >     >>     frequency overload.
> >     >>
> >     >>     I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me
> >     >>     analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a
> >     >>     setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel
> >     free to
> >     >>     respond with your contact information so that I can contact
> you
> >     >>     to find out what it would cost for your services.
> >     >>
> >     >>     I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level
> >     >>     information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good
> >     >>     opportunity for me.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>     Thanks,
> >     >>
> >     >>     Rich
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
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