This is true... it also doesn't mean that COMPANY B can't deploy APs with COMPANY A's SSID and then charge or something....
wait... I didn't say that. On 11/15/13, 11:40 AM, Zach Mann wrote: > Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own > SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for > their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to > see how this all develops. > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes > <mhop...@indigowireless.com <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: > > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on > cable plants and blasting all over the town. > > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and > covering the town! > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: > > How would you 'legally' define a WISP? > > > > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering > Internet over Wireless? > > > > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, > would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also > deliver Internet over cable and fiber? > > > > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those > of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and > infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others). > > > > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having > a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the > like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. > > > > --Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > > > > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use > > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. > > > > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only > spectrum... > > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a > WISP. > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> > > > > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: > >> Spectrum trashers.... At least if there's no traffic on them there > >> shouldn't be much noise.. > >> > >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: > >>> He's talking about these... (see attached) > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm > talking about > >>> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside > runing through > >>> the city on every corner.... clear LOS to every tower > around. > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *From*: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > >>> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>> > >>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM > >>> *To*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor > is that > >>> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that > a 5 GHz > >>> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an > interference > >>> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device > will. The > >>> laws of physics work in your favor. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank You, > >>> > >>> Brian Webster > >>> > >>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > >>> > >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>> > >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo > >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM > >>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> > >>> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; WISPA General List > >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps > creeping up - > >>> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used > to worry > >>> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was > already > >>> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on > some radios > >>> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any > more, if > >>> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what > gives us > >>> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, > we always do. > >>> > >>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good > directional CPE > >>> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna > can't > >>> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks > though, you > >>> drive down the street and see one after another running > 5Ghz just > >>> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole > city to them.... > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > >>> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>> > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM > >>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>" > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>>, > >>> "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > >>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> Are you seeing any impact from them? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every > street > >>> corner. Already seeing that in our areas.... do a > wireless > >>> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the > 2Ghz ones > >>> (they run dual band APs now). > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From*: "Bret Clark" <bcl...@spectraaccess.com > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com> > >>> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>> > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM > >>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more > 5GHz spectrum. > >>> > >>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more > 5GHz of > >>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off] > >>> > >>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: > >>> > >>> I hope the links at the bottom come through. > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz > spectrum band to > >>> power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could > allow it to > >>> deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 > Gbps, SVP of > >>> Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a > House Energy > >>> and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that > Comcast has > >>> expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for > Xfinity > >>> high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The > nation's > >>> largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless > gateways > >>> from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has > said may be > >>> able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz > band, Nagel > >>> said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to > meet demand > >>> from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential > opposition > >>> from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers > who want to > >>> use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation > connected car > >>> applications, including applications that would > warn drivers > >>> of collision threats. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised > concerns > >>> about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at > >>> Wednesday's hearing. "We have been actively > engaged with > >>> the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who > are exploring > >>> possible sharing solutions that will alleviate > any risk of > >>> harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But > we're not > >>> there yet and it's going to take a bit more time > to see if > >>> we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared > testimony. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For more: > >>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > (.pdf) > >>> - see Kenney's prepared testimony > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > (.pdf) > >>> - see Comcast blog post > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > >>> - /Broadcasting & Cable/ has this story > >>> > > <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > _______________________________________________ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
