Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for their own SSID for their subscribers. :) It will be interesting to see how this all develops.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com>wrote: > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on > cable plants and blasting all over the town. > > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and > covering the town! > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 > > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote: > > How would you 'legally' define a WISP? > > > > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet > over Wireless? > > > > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we > (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver > Internet over cable and fiber? > > > > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us > that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services > (examples among doubtless myriad others). > > > > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard > time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using > it, while not also excluding quite a few of us. > > > > --Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > > > > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use > > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. > > > > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... > > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. > > > > > > Matt Hoppes > > Director of Information Technology > > Indigo Wireless > > +1 (570) 723-7312 > > > > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: > >> Spectrum trashers.... At least if there's no traffic on them there > >> shouldn't be much noise.. > >> > >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: > >>> He's talking about these... (see attached) > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking > about > >>> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing > through > >>> the city on every corner.... clear LOS to every tower around. > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *From*: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com > >>> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>> > >>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM > >>> *To*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > >>> > >>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that > >>> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz > >>> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an > interference > >>> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The > >>> laws of physics work in your favor. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank You, > >>> > >>> Brian Webster > >>> > >>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> > >>> > >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > >>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott > Carullo > >>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM > >>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com > >>> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List > >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up > - > >>> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to > worry > >>> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already > >>> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some > radios > >>> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, > if > >>> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives > us > >>> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we > always do. > >>> > >>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional > CPE > >>> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't > >>> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you > >>> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just > >>> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to > them.... > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com > >>> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM > >>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto: > sc...@brevardwireless.com>" > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>, > >>> "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto: > wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org > >>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. > >>> > >>> Are you seeing any impact from them? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street > >>> corner. Already seeing that in our areas.... do a wireless > >>> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz > ones > >>> (they run dual band APs now). > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Technical Operations > >>> 855-FLSPEED x102 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From*: "Bret Clark" <bcl...@spectraaccess.com > >>> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> > >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM > >>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz > spectrum. > >>> > >>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of > >>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off] > >>> > >>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: > >>> > >>> I hope the links at the bottom come through. > >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band > to > >>> power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it > to > >>> deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, > SVP of > >>> Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House > Energy > >>> and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast > has > >>> expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity > >>> high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's > >>> largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways > >>> from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be > >>> able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, > Nagel > >>> said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet > demand > >>> from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition > >>> from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want > to > >>> use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected > car > >>> applications, including applications that would warn > drivers > >>> of collision threats. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns > >>> about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at > >>> Wednesday's hearing. "We have been actively engaged with > >>> the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are > exploring > >>> possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk > of > >>> harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're > not > >>> there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see > if > >>> we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For more: > >>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony > >>> < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > (.pdf) > >>> - see Kenney's prepared testimony > >>> < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> > (.pdf) > >>> - see Comcast blog post > >>> < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0 > > > >>> - /Broadcasting & Cable/ has this story > >>> < > http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0 > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wireless mailing list > >>> Wireless@wispa.org > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >
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