On 6 Sep 2007, at 17:39, Rick Lecoat wrote:

The issue of whether an unchanged default setting, except when left as
it is by deliberate choice, should be considered a 'user preference' in
the context of "most people have their preferred size set to 16px" has
not really been decided for me, but maybe it's like trying to prove a
negative.

default settings aren't user preferences, they are manufacturer preferences.

only when a user changes those defaults do they become the preference of the user.

surely?

and I'm not just referring to browsers, I'm talking generally.

I believe we're talking this thing round in circles, but if *most* users leave the defaults as they are and most designers have set the fonts on most sites smaller than the defaults then the norm for *most* users is smaller than default.

we're in a catch 22 as I see it.

if the browser manufacturers make the defaults smaller, then a lot of web sites break. If you don't adjust the font size at all it looks bigger than expected to *most* users - and if the client is looking at their site compared to everyone else they also expect it to look similar, not have massive fonts.

perhaps the wise and good on his list would make it blindingly obvious which is the best and most pragmatic way to set font-size to conform to the norm - i.e. smaller than the default *without* messing up the minority of web users who have changed the defaults in their browser.

which I think is the crux of the matter, since in the absence of hard evidence all our feelings on who has set what and what they think to the norm is pointless.

I'd like a foolproof way of pleasing my client, without upsetting anyone.

is there a way?

;)







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