Dear Comrades, The timing of the "distancing" is problematic in that the rightwing tendency amongst young people in our country is on the rise. I think the paper is fine but comrades should have thought about other methods of managing issues, I do realise that the paper focused on the family of the President which might have caused YCL NOBs to quickly want to distance themselves.
We support the points raised by National Chair but I think his timing was also a challenge in that we are going to the NGC which might be highly contested in terms of people who have revealed their true intentions, people have revealed that Mantashe was just used as a test, but the real price might be somebody else. We have already noticed people who were disillusioned with Mbeki was removed coming into this debate not because they support the analysis of BEE as a failure but because Zuma family was used as a focal point of the debate. It was a tough call for the National Chair because if he had used a pseudo family then the interest of what he had argued was not going to receive the attention that it is getting and the "distancing" of the YCL has really assisted the popularity of the National Chairs article. Thanks to the "distancing" that even those who had read the piece have now read it. For me, we cannot afford disunity of any left formation in South Africa at this point in time. Cosatu had a good bilateral with the SACP which I suggest that YCL NOB must meet urgently to discuss their matter. By the way, where are the discussion documents of YCL towards December. Regards, Sabelo. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Phumlani Dlamini < [email protected]> wrote: > The contemporary challenges facing the working class and the poor requires > very resolute leadership of the working class organizations. Masondo's > article is pro-working class and the poor. Hiding behind technicalities and > procedures to avoid the merits of the article does not advance our course. > > Frankly speaking, the NOB media statement is unfortunate and does not bind > Ycl members since it is a statement by an unconstitutional structure of Ycl. > The comrades who penned down the NOB statement were airing individuals > sentiments which do not bind Ycl members. Neo-liberal economic policies are > getting more entrenched while pre-occupying ourselves with non-issues. Who > would have died if comrades exercised patience and waited for a > constitutional meeting to discuss and resolve on a whole range of issues > affecting the working class. The degree of impatience poses more questions > than answers. > > Ycl members need to jump to its defence and ensure organization cohesion. > Our beloved organization should not be (mis)used as an instrument with which > to fight petty personal battles. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Masoga > Sent: 08 September 2010 12:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > Chairperson > > Comrades I guess it is all very fashionable for us now to find it easy > to stand on the roof tops and shout about the revolutionary relevance > on the part of the chair's article. However, as a matter of principle > and procedure, it would have been much neccesary for the chair to have > expressed those proper views on the basis of his personal capacity. > The chairperson as per the constitution is not at a position to become > the spokesperson of the organization, though he is among the > collective of the custodians of the organization nationally in the > form of office bearers, there is still a procedure through which those > views no matter how correct or incorrect have to be channeled. > If we allow this kind of a conduct as demonstrated by our most highly > esteemed leader whom we all respect to become a norm we would have > overriden all the principles of discipline and cohesion as the youth > formation of the party, such that every leader will claim their > position of authority in the YCL when having to air or experess > personal views. > > On 9/8/10, morgan phaahla <[email protected]> wrote: > > Cde Thobela, > > > > I do not understand what you're saying as I pointed out clearly that I do > > not agree with the distancing approach as it creates impression that > there > > is no organisational cohesion and unity but tension at the top. > > > > Please clarify what is the "whole issues" and not argue semantics. Is > this a > > case of cde David having used his capacity as chairperson? If so, what is > it > > that he should have used? > > > > It's public knowledge that cde David Masondo is chairperson of the YCLSA > > and therefore this cannot be conveniently hid to please detractors. > > > > What you're missing is that cde David has written a plethora of articles > > before and the NOB never find it fit to distance itself from the issues > he > > raised. Hence I said, had what cde David wrote be a shared view of the > NOB, > > the article would have been parroted as that of the YCL. Is that > consistent? > > And that is my point, cde Thobela! > > > > It's a matter of principle, not cut and paste when it's convenient. I > trust > > you get the drift > > > > Regards > > Morgan > > > > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - > Joe > > Slovo > > > > --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Thobela Mahijana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > From: Thobela Mahijana <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > > Chairperson > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 2:45 AM > > > > > > > > Cde Phaahla > > > > I think u didnt understood the content of the letter from the YCL Office > > beares. The letter doesnt say they disown the person but the content of > the > > letter since the writer used his capacity as YCL Chairperson. Chief u > cant > > clarify something that u have nothing to do about it, read the article > from > > Songezo Mleqwa may be it will assist u to understand the whole issues. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:50 PM, morgan phaahla <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings cde Siwakhile, > > > > I noted your view on the saga, however what seems to be the problem is > the > > manner in which the national office bearers (NOB) dealt with the matter. > I > > do not agree with the distancing approach as it creates impression that > > there is no organisational cohesion and unity but tension at the top. > > > > It would have been strategic for the NOB to convene an emergency meeting > and > > call a press conference thereafter to clarify aspects of the article to > the > > YCL and the movement as a whole. > > > > For the record, one would have been happy to hear the NOB expressing a > view > > that cde David wrote the opinion piece in his personal capacity not to > say > > "has never canvassed these views internally within the YCLSA". Because > all > > of this means NOB decided to disown its leader in public because it's > > convenient to do so. > > > > A lacklustre statement like "YCLSA National Office Bearers wishes to > > distance themselves and the organisation from the views expressed by the > > YCLSA National Chairperson, Comrade David Masondo, in yesterday's edition > of > > the City Press", is not good enough but pure public relations disaster! > > > > Unfortunately, damage is done and what is needed is a strategy to > > sort this mess out. The NOB must correct this pattern of humiliating > leaders > > in public and learn to attend to the merits and demerits of what has > > been said. There is no doubt in my mind that had what cde David said be a > > shared view of the NOB, the article would have been parroted and the > whole > > saga treated differently. Is that consistent? I don't think so! > > > > Remain, > > Morgan Phaahla > > > > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - > Joe > > Slovo > > > > --- On Tue, 9/7/10, siwakhile nogaga <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > From: siwakhile nogaga <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > > Chairperson > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > Cdes > > > > I have read the article by David and also the statement from YCL National > > Committe. As all of you comrades I vehemently agree that what is written > > in David's article is very correct and it is an issue that should be > > raised. But I am failing to find what is wrong if the National Commitee > > distances itself from that article because it is not its statement and it > > seems as if it was not informed before it release. 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