Redelfs' Commentary:  God became God by obedience to pre-existing,
coeternal law.  And if we are to become Gods we must follow the same path
that he took.  The idea that God made up the laws by which he became God is
a Protestant idea.  It is not the gospel.

I do not believe that anyone is suggesting that God make up the law by which
He became God.  That is, of course, nonsense, His Father created the laws by
which our Father lived his mortal life.  When God created this universe, and
this world, He created the Laws by which things work, which may be the same
as what His Father created or they may be different.  The bottom line is
that our Father is responsible for the Laws by which we live.

My earlier, rather lengthy, post suggested several reasons, in the quotes
provided, why many people agree with the idea that our God is uniquely
responsible for the laws by which we must operate.  What did you think of
their arguments?

George



----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:18 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law


> Jim Cobabe favored us with:
> >He comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all
> >things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all
> >things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and
> >all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever.
> >
> >And again, verily I say unto you, he hath given a law unto all things,
> >by which they move in their times and their seasons;(D&C 88:41-42)
>
> Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.3, OMNIPOTENT GOD; OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD;
> OMNISCIENCE OF GOD
>
> However, the Church does not understand this term in the traditional sense
> of absoluteness, and, on the authority of modern revelation, rejects the
> classical doctrine of creation out of nothing. It affirms, rather, that
> there are actualities that are coeternal with the persons of the Godhead,
> INCLUDING ELEMENTS, INTELLIGENCE, AND LAW (D&C 93:29, 33, 35: 88:34-40).
> Omnipotence, therefore, cannot coherently be understood as absolutely
> unlimited power. That view is internally self-contradictory and, given the
> fact that evil and suffering are real, not reconcilable with God's
> omnibenevolence or loving kindness (see Theodicy).
>
> D&C 93:29
>   29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of
> truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
>
> Bibliography:
> Roberts, B. H. "The Doctrine of Deity." Seventy's Course in Theology,
third
> year. Salt Lake City, 1910.
> ---
>
> Redelfs' Commentary:  God became God by obedience to pre-existing,
> coeternal law.  And if we are to become Gods we must follow the same path
> that he took.  The idea that God made up the laws by which he became God
is
> a Protestant idea.  It is not the gospel.
>
> John W. Redelfs                         [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "...by proving contraries, truth is made manifest" --Joseph
> Smith, History of the Church, Volume 6, p.248
> *******************************************************************
> All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR
>
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