Re: Modified Abstract
Mark: As I am using these terms, naming particulars by attribution would be identical to universals or structurization. For instance, gender is a result of attributing characteristics to people defined (rightly or wrongly) as being one sex or the other. (I say rightly or wrongly since there is no general agreement among sexologists as to the number of sexes. Some say one. Others, two. Still others, five.) This process of attribution, naming, or structurization, in connection with other acts of structurization, socially constructs our lifeworlds. Okay! It is fair to say that the process isn't without error... (haven't read Hacking...obviously) So, how do we reconcile that with Divine Will - which is infallible? (In terms of Naming...) lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sandra, At 02:23 AM 11/4/2004, you wrote: Okay! It is fair to say that the process isn't without error... (haven't read Hacking ... obviously) I am not sure how error would fit in. As Aleister Crowley said, Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law. Through expressing our wills, we collectively (in interaction with others) structurize our lifeworlds. So, how do we reconcile that with Divine Will - which is infallible? (In terms of Naming...) To my understanding, that statement would be somewhat tautological (circular). IMO, infallibility and the divine Will are pretty much identical. Infallibility is the *exercise* of the divine Will. Naming is the process of whereby God structurizes His creation. name: A word or words by which an entity is designated and distinguished from others. -- The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition The structurizational (naming) process of distinguishing categories of particulars from other categories of particulars results in structure. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Mark, you said: I am not sure how error would fit in. As Aleister Crowley said, Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law. Through expressing our wills, we collectively (in interaction with others) structurize our lifeworlds. My intention is not to discuss the merits of his statement or the appropriateness of its use in this particular context; however I would like to know why you would use Aleister Crowley as an authority for anything at all? I am openly curious. Mark you also said: The structurizational (naming) process of distinguishing categories of particulars from other categories of particulars results in structure. Is there any significance, in relation to the above statement that the first task given to man which suggests control over his outer environment is to name certain items? Gen: 2:19. That is: is structuralization the fundamental act in the development of phenomenology and epistemology? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Yes, I think that God's directive to name created things was, in effect, an authorization to structurize creation. I wonder then, as the Baha'i Era opened with a Book known as Qayyum-i-Asma and that Asma is one of the Names of God, then that man has the implied authority to name anew creation which would include the inner world of himself, hence the explosion of philosophical re-examination of old ideas (Kant's analysis of the teleological argument for example) and the recognition of new understandings or insights and naming or otherwise identifying them. That is: is structuralization the fundamental act in the development of phenomenology and epistemology? IMO, the act of epoche (bracketing), or phenomenological reduction, in addition to intersubjectivity, are instances of structurization. A less than cursory reading of the literature regarding the above terms suggests that the tasks they present and the results expected, will produce, nay, require a meditation that can lead to knowledge of one's own self and perhaps even the freedom existentialists have insisted will be the result of such inner activity. __ You __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi, Richard, At 06:53 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote: I wonder then, as the Baha'i Era opened with a Book known as Qayyum-i-Asma and that Asma is one of the Names of God, then that man has the implied authority to name anew creation which would include the inner world of himself, hence the explosion of philosophical re-examination of old ideas (Kant's analysis of the teleological argument for example) and the recognition of new understandings or insights and naming or otherwise identifying them. Well, the Word of God (kalimat-ullaah), IMO, refers to the manifestation of God (divine perfections) in the Prophet and to what the Prophet teaches. The perfections of Christ are called the Word because all the beings are in the condition of letters, and one letter has not a complete meaning, while the perfections of Christ have the power of the word because a complete meaning can be inferred from a word. As the Reality of Christ was the manifestation of the divine perfections, therefore, it was like the word. Why? because He is the sum of perfect meanings. This is why He is called the Word. -- `Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp.206-207 Whatever They [the Prophets] say is the word of God, and whatever They perform is an upright action. -- `Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p.173 To my understanding, a Prophet's perfections ***are*** His **names** and attributes which are communicated to us through divine Revelation. In that way, the two definitions of word are connected. A less than cursory reading of the literature regarding the above terms suggests that the tasks they present and the results expected, will produce, nay, require a meditation that can lead to knowledge of one's own self and perhaps even the freedom existentialists have insisted will be the result of such inner activity. I think that, from an ethical perspective, the supremacy of will advocated by Crowley, Nietzche, Husserl, and others needs to be grounded in an understanding of the divine Will (the Covenant). Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Okay. Well, again, if I were talking about a particular human reality, I would call it a particular. If I were talking about the reality of man (a structurization, or dynamic power of naming, for humans collectively), I would call it a universal. Good. Thank you. I needed that specific clarification. I get the impression however, that as the Manifestations of God are taken as one, as well as individually and as collectively; then man can be taken the same way without changing the use of the term structuralization. Does that mean that the undifferentiated substance (atom) is a particular? IMO, an atom or an element is a particular in relation to a compound. However, the substance of the mineral kingdom is a particular in relation to the mineral spirit. Good. That is clearly consistent. If so, as its existence depends upon relationships between various energy levels that the particularness of the atom is a structurization as well? As I am using the term, a structurization is a name for a universal. Reality is constructed through the dynamic process of naming. The construction of your system then would be a dynamic process of naming? Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi Mark, To Richard you wrote: Reality is constructed through the dynamic process of naming. By Reality do you iintend percieved reality ? And, if so, can it be assumed that the process of naming is based on recognizable attributes of a particular or universal ? (and because Reality as percieved by most humans is relative ... Well, you know...) Your modified abstract states: The problems of realism, nominalism, particularism, and conceptualism are transcended by defining universals as **names** for structurizations, and structurizations within structurizations, considered as belonging to the same category (such as society). Particulars, not structurizations or universals, are realities. lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi, Sandra, At 01:47 PM 11/3/2004, you wrote: By Reality do you iintend percieved reality ? And, if so, can it be assumed that the process of naming is based on recognizable attributes of a particular or universal ? By reality, I am referring to divinely and socially constructed reality, not objective reality, which refers to particulars. Your modified abstract states: The problems of realism, nominalism, particularism, and conceptualism are transcended by defining universals as **names** for structurizations, In the most recent version of it, I have removed that reference to realism, nominalism, particularism, and conceptualism and replaced it with a reference to Ian Hacking's dynamic nominalism. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Yes, any system is, in my view, constructed through naming. In this case, naming refers to the *attribution* of characteristics. Hi Mark, Could you give an example of naming by attribution in each - Particulars; Universals; and Structurizations... And, include: who/what is measuring/evaluating the characteristics of each to warrant the attribution? You no doubt recognize I don't have the ability to challenge you on this... but, I fear if I were in your position I'd be painting myself into the proverbial corner. Therefore, I'm intrigued and curious to see where your theory leads... Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi, Sandra, At 10:06 PM 11/3/2004, you wrote: Could you give an example of naming by attribution in each - Particulars; Universals; and Structurizations... As I am using these terms, naming particulars by attribution would be identical to universals or structurization. For instance, gender is a result of attributing characteristics to people defined (rightly or wrongly) as being one sex or the other. (I say rightly or wrongly since there is no general agreement among sexologists as to the number of sexes. Some say one. Others, two. Still others, five.) This process of attribution, naming, or structurization, in connection with other acts of structurization, socially constructs our lifeworlds. And, include: who/what is measuring/evaluating the characteristics of each to warrant the attribution? Please rephrase the question. You no doubt recognize I don't have the ability to challenge you on this... but, I fear if I were in your position I'd be painting myself into the proverbial corner. Not really. I am just playing with ideas. Therefore, I'm intrigued and curious to see where your theory leads... I really can't entirely claim it. Most of what I am talking about comes from Ian Hacking's dynamic nominalism. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi, Richard, At 02:32 PM 11/1/2004, you wrote: ..Alright then: so far so good. If the Manifestation of God is taken as a structuriization there may be some discussion about man. IMO, each Prophet would be a particular. The concept, Manifestations of God, is a universal or structurization. For if it is determined that his reality is a structuralizaton of God, we have one answer. I wouldn't call the Reality, in the sense of the Soul, of any one Prophet a structurization. In my view, it is a creation. In physics 101 we learn the a weight at the top of an inclined plane on the planet earth has a certain potential energy. That energy can be calculated. I would think that the whole of the mechanism would be considered a mixture of particulars (the weight of the weight, the incline angle, the length of the incline taken separately) As I see it, the mixture would consist of structurizations, and the mixture itself would be a structurization. However, the substance of the mineral kingdom (another structurization) is the particular. ... and the result of the complex as a set of relationships that are contextualized, meaningful and volitional would be a secularization [Mark: structurization?]. I agree with that. Can the capacity of man to know God be called a structurization? I would call an individual capacity a manifestation of a particular human soul. However, the concept of human capacities or capacities fo know God would, to me, be a structurization. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi, Richard, IMO, each Prophet would be a particular. The concept, Manifestations of God, is a universal or structurization. I agree. For if it is determined that his reality is a structuralizaton of God, we have one answer. I wouldn't call the Reality, in the sense of the Soul, of any one Prophet a structurization. In my view, it is a creation. I was speaking of the reality of man rather than the Reality of the Manifestation. In physics 101 we learn the a weight at the top of an inclined plane on the planet earth has a certain potential energy. That energy can be calculated. I would think that the whole of the mechanism would be considered a mixture of particulars (the weight of the weight, the incline angle, the length of the incline taken separately) As I see it, the mixture would consist of structurizations, and the mixture itself would be a structurization. However, the substance of the mineral kingdom (another structurization) is the particular. Does that mean that the undifferentiated substance (atom) is a particular? If so, as its existence depends upon relationships between various energy levels that the particularness of the atom is a structurization as well? ... and the result of the complex as a set of relationships that are contextualized, meaningful and volitional would be a secularization [Mark: structurization?]. I agree with that. As do I. Thank you for the correction (structurization) Can the capacity of man to know God be called a structurization? I would call an individual capacity a manifestation of a particular human soul. However, the concept of human capacities or capacities fo know God would, to me, be a structurization. That is consistent with humankind being regarded as one soul as well as with the faith of no man can be conditioned by any one except himself IMO. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi, Richard, At 12:37 PM 11/2/2004, you wrote: I was speaking of the reality of man rather than the Reality of the Manifestation. Okay. Well, again, if I were talking about a particular human reality, I would call it a particular. If I were talking about the reality of man (a structurization, or dynamic power of naming, for humans collectively), I would call it a universal. Does that mean that the undifferentiated substance (atom) is a particular? IMO, an atom or an element is a particular in relation to a compound. However, the substance of the mineral kingdom is a particular in relation to the mineral spirit. If so, as its existence depends upon relationships between various energy levels that the particularness of the atom is a structurization as well? As I am using the term, a structurization is a name for a universal. Reality is constructed through the dynamic process of naming. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark you wrote, IMO, the different evolutions are dynamic structurizations. That is excellent. Under strcturizations would fall all volitionally dependent set of rules pertaining to relationships between particulars. As we, as humans, cannot identify any phenomenon unless it has a relationship with another phenomenon, then those meaningful and contextualized would be defined through the relationship? Richard. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Richard, At 11:37 AM 11/1/2004, you wrote: That is excellent. Thanks. Under strcturizations would fall all volitionally dependent set of rules pertaining to relationships between particulars. Yes. My views here resemble those of Michel Foucault and Ian Hacking. A structurization is a universal (a category or rule) which frames relationships between particulars. Some structurizations, or universals, can function as master categories for other universals, such as society includes race, class, and gender. As we, as humans, cannot identify any phenomenon unless it has a relationship with another phenomenon, then those meaningful and contextualized would be defined through the relationship? Nicely stated. I think we understand particulars through the rules (structurizations) which we assign to them. Rules, structurizations, categories, or universals are basically relationships between particulars. (Most of that paragraph is taken from my paper - in progress.) Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi Mark You wrote: What I am trying to do is to distinguish between particulars, universals (or categories), and structurizations: This came across clearly in the modified abstract. First time around I was completely lost... The 1st paragraph of the modified was for me a conglomeration of words outside my normal vocabulary - but I was confident that your target audience would know what you were talking about... Then, to my surprise, I completely understood the remaining 4 paragraphs... especially from a Baha'i perspective... In thelast paragraph you mention individualized spirits in the vegetable kingdom. I'm particularly curious how youmight makea connectionbetween the cohesion in the mineral kingdom (and particulars in vegetable kingdom) both of which are ordained through Divine will and NOT particular/individualwill; and, that of the human species -who has yet to arrive at cohesion through "freewill" alone... lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Sandra, At 03:21 AM 10/31/2004, you wrote: Then, to my surprise, I completely understood the remaining 4 paragraphs... especially from a Baha'i perspective... What is your take on it? In the last paragraph you mention individualized spirits in the vegetable kingdom. I'm particularly curious how you might make a connection between the cohesion in the mineral kingdom (and particulars in vegetable kingdom) both of which are ordained through Divine will and NOT particular/individual will; and, that of the human species -who has yet to arrive at cohesion through free will alone. Well, of course we, as humans, do not come into existence as a result of our own wills either. IMO, the mineral substance (universally) is **itself** the particular in relation to the mineral spirit. Then different combinations of atomic substance can become particularized in relation to acts of structurization. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Richard, At 07:55 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote: How are the strong and weak magnetic forces, gravity and light classified in your system? Well, as far as I have a system grin, I assume that magnetic forces and gravity are mineral structurizations. Off the top of my head, I would say that light is related to magnetic forces (EMS). Is evolution classified as a force or as a process in your system? IMO, the different evolutions are dynamic structurizations. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Abstract
Hi (again) Mark, You wrote to Richard: IMO, the different evolutions are dynamic structurizations. I agree with this also. My personal feeling is that Creation in all it's forms was structuralized (your terminology) ...normally, I would say: set in motion... by the One Creator we know as God. While all known existence has a motivating spirit only the human species was endowed with cognition through a rational mind and soul in additin to spirit. Having that capacity, humans are able to exercise free will. In doing so, they/we can change the dynamics of structuralization in all earthly kingdoms. The mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms excercise (if you will) Radiant Acquiesence without cognition! Only humans, having the blessing and burden of knowledge, must distinguish between following Divine Will or assuming partnership. The choices we make whether as individuals, particulars or as a structured society are a reflection of the ability (singularly or collectively) to recongnize Divine Will. And, that can only be achieved in limited degrees through the Revelations of the Manifestations of God. lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Modified Abstract
As a result of some of the feedback I have received, I have revised the abstract for my paper. Although I do not agree with most of what people wrote me, it was useful to me in making my points more clearly. I am being careful to make distinctions between the magisteria of science and religion. The metatheoretical, or philosophical, aspects relate to the Baha'i Faith. The theoretical aspects relate principally to sociology. I am neither suggesting nor recommending that they be combined into one. --- The sociological theory and spiritual metatheory of Structurizationism proposes a revolutionary and deconstructive praxis and methodology for eliminating colonialism, hegemony, and other oppressive, but culturally or historically specific, narratives, e.g., institutional and ideational. Marxism is redacted into a conflict theory (or trans-Marxism), and deconstruction is synthesized with reconstruction and inclusion. The problems of realism, nominalism, particularism, and conceptualism are transcended by defining universals as **names** for structurizations, and structurizations within structurizations, considered as belonging to the same category (such as society). Particulars, not structurizations or universals, are realities. A structurization is a meaningful, contextualized, and volitionally relative set of rules pertaining to particulars. Structurizations are entirely contingent on the relative Will of the divine Particularity or on the relative wills of human particularities in interaction. Divine structurizations incorporate such scriptural concepts as species, kingdoms, creation, and spiritual virtues. Social structurizations would include human groups, such as societies, and moral codes. Observers, including scientists, can perceive the attributes of both created particulars and divine structurizations. To illustrate, the empirical attributes witnessed in instances of cohesion in the mineral kingdom (a divine structurization), in specific plants in the vegetable kingdom (a divine structurization), etc. are particulars in relation to individuated spirits. Mark A. Foster * Portal: http://MarkFoster.net CompuServe: http://boards.M.Foster.name __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
