Susan,
Some more thoughts on the subject:
I have looked at some more statements by the House of Justice, and I am
wondering whether the House sees its primary function as an elucidation of the
Texts and the interpretations of the Guardian, not as legislation per se.
Rulings on legislation
It might be as well just during the revelation that Baha'u'llah is divine
and He is the Voice of God.and when He says I am Omniscient, in fact I
refers to God.
Dear Firouz,
Then wouldn't we be more like Islam and only regard specific Writings
written in a certain state as revelation, rather than
Dear Rich,
I'm sorry if my comment offend you -- it was not at all directed to you or for
that matter to anyone else. I was merely commenting on the signal to noise
ratio of the discussion. However, that was my own fault as I'd forgotten that
this list is more (informed) conversation than
So is there some powerful significant moral change which happens at
15? Or is the year just arbitrary?
Peace
Gilberto
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:08:31 -0600, James Mock
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Dear Friends,
It would seem that this quote is pertinent to this discussionat least
the
Gilberto,
So is there some powerful significant moral change which happens
at 15? Or is the year just arbitrary?
It is significant because Baha'u'llah designated it.
Sincerely yours, Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. * Professor of Sociology
Johnson County Community College, Overland Park, Kansas
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:03:37 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Islam, that's when a person becomes an adult. What other definition
of woman are you using?
Dear Gilberto,
So do you think it would be okay today if a mature man married and had
intercourse with a ten year old
I remember Abdu'l-Baha mentioned that women reach
maturity at the age 20.
This reminds me of a question I have about the age of maturity (which my wife
tells me I will never attain!).
In QA, no. 20, Baha'u'llah in *Persian* states that the age of maturity is 15
for both men and women.
Shoghi
Susan,
Okay. I have a few hours to kill waiting for the publisher to show up
here in my office:
The House of Justice has been provided with the power to elucidate the
texts in order to carry out its legislative functions. In that sense,
elucidation is an extension of the House's legislative
To the question:
So which statements are infallible? They have to be actually written
by house members and approved by them as the house of justice?
Scott responded:
The House is infallible in its decision making and consultation. The book was
written for and sponsored by the House, but it
In a message dated 1/26/2005 2:33:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's unfair or problematic about saying that people become adults atpuberty (more or less)?
Because then everyone becomes an adult by their own internal clock rather than by the calendar. When dealingwith
In a message dated 1/26/2005 2:42:33 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Before folks jump all over me, let me say that this is all purely personalspeculations and I don't have an iota of texts to back it up.
Well, I won't jump. It matches a lot of my feelings about it.
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In a message dated 1/26/2005 2:31:41 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Which social laws? I don't think the Bible or the Quran given minimum
ages for marriage. Like I said elsewhere its not a
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:59:28 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/26/2005 2:33:30 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's unfair or problematic about saying that people become adults at
puberty (more or less)?
Because then everyone becomes
Ahang,
At 10:38 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
In other words, in this instance, is there a difference between the scope of
House of Justice without a living Guardian and one with a living Guardian?
I will make a qualified response, since, officially, I don't know.
It seems to me that elucidation as
In a message dated 1/26/2005 4:39:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is going in circles. I would want to make a distinction betweenthe laws which people make up and the ones which God gives. Iunderstand that Bahais disagree. This is nothing new.
People make laws
In a message dated 1/26/2005 7:25:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think you should talk to me like that. This is part of why Iwould rather use a more neutral example. I have absolutely no interestin marrying a nine-year old girl and as I said in my answer, I have
That is true. However The house of Sa'ud entered into an alliance with
the Wahhabis and subsequent to attaining control of Arabia, they
exported Wahhabism through the funding of religious schools throughout
the middle East. One also might note British encouragement of the sect
as well as by
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Marriages then were rarely a matter of simple choice
no matter what age you
were, but by all accounts it was a happy marriage.
Dear Susan,
I realise that. I said this because she might not at
all have been unwilling to marry Muhammad, maybe have
even wished for it. It is not usual that
Then wouldn't we be more like Islam and only regard specific Writings
written in a certain state as revelation, rather than anything that issued
from Baha'u'llah's Pen?
I do believe what ever Baha'u'llah penned was the Words of God. His Person
being the Supreme Manifestation of God. But at the
I do believe what ever Baha'u'llah penned was the Words of God. His Person being the Supreme Manifestation of God. But at the same time He had a physical body with many physical limitation very similar to ours. When He says that He is in pain, that may not be the Word of God that He is
Gilberto,
At 08:01 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
The original point was how do you evaluate prophets and think about
sinlessness. I would say that there is a certain minimal core morality which
is more fundamental and you could in principle use that the judge prophets.
Mark seemed to say it was
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:20:03 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
There is, IMO, a difference between virtues, which are divine
structurizations, and morals (norms and values), which are human
structurizations. Through the Will of God (virtues) or through the wills of
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:25:25 -0800, Elaine Crowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is true. However The house of Sa'ud entered into an alliance with
the Wahhabis and subsequent to attaining control of Arabia, they
exported Wahhabism through the funding of religious schools throughout
the
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:29:01 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark seemed to say it was reversed and that within their dispensation
prophets could do anything and almost by definition it would be correct.
-- Hi Gilberto, I think the idea is based on the following verses of
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:38:28 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 08:01 PM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
The original point was how do you evaluate prophets and think about
sinlessness. I would say that there is a certain minimal core morality
which is more fundamental and
Gilberto addressing Mark:
It seems like you are reading it correctly. I just don't think I would
agree with it. The Quran actually invites people to examine itself for
contradictions. Dares people to try to come up with verses like it. In
other places the Quran also calls itself the Criterion but
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:30:04 +0700, Firouz Anaraki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto addressing Mark:
It seems like you are reading it correctly. I just don't think I would
agree with it. The Quran actually invites people to examine itself for
contradictions. Dares people to try to come up
In a message dated 1/26/2005 11:30:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Baha'u'llah also challenges people to come up a verse like what
Baha'u'llah has revealed and goes further and allows them to assist each
other:" O people, if ye deny these verses, by what proof
In a message dated 1/26/2005 8:21:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One also might note British encouragement of the sect as well as by
favouring Ibn Sa'ud over the Sharif of Mecca.
Dear Elainna,
Where does your information that the British favoured
As far as letters from the Secretariat on behalf of the House of Justice, as
distinguished from letters signed The Universal House of Justice: My feeling
is that this may be more of an honorific matter. Letters from the Universal
House of Justice itself, must be signed by a member of the
Dear Firouz,
I never read that passage that way. I thought He was asking them to come up
with proof they believed in God, not come up with better verses.
warmest, Susan
Dear Susan,
I remember long long time back when I was living in Dubaiwe had a
deepening class about Tablet of Ahmad,
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