Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:45:44 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [many reasonable comments deleted] I was just commenting on the Guardians stance and that he disbanded the community rather than obey the dictates of a government that fit his criteria as legitimate if heinous. Maybe

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Gilberto, You wrote: If the Nazis asked him where the German Bahais were, he could have just said no, I'll never turn them over. and that would have been disobedience. But if he disbanded the Bahais that means he could honestly say that the community didn't officially exist. The Nazis

RE: TV/movies

2005-02-12 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Hi David from Down Under! Here are a few quotes that may be relevant to your question on personal viewing censorship: Thine eye is My trust, suffer not the dust of vain desires to becloud its luster. Thine ear is a sign of My bounty, let not the tumult of unseemly motives turn it away from My

RE: Just Government` and/or just war

2005-02-12 Thread David Lambert
Iskandar wrote: Also, I'd think, it's worthwhile for us Baha'is to ponder, reflect, and think deeply about the various possible implications of paragraph 88 of Baha'u'llah's Most Holy Book Kitab-i-Aqdas. http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KA/ka-6.html *** I thoroughly agree! As for the

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/10/2005 10:21:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not know howeverwhere the fine line is. We sometimes forget how powerful spiritual virtues canbe, how much influence they have on the hearts andsoul of human beings. And that the Bahai faith

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Rich Ater
Hitler was never elected Chancellor; in Germanys last truly democratic election, he pulled 37% of the vote, which means that 63% of voters opted for various other parties. A government can be legally constituted with 37% or 44% of the vote if that's a majority. Look at us

Happy New Year

2005-02-12 Thread Rich Ater
Gilberto, Sorry this is late. Yesterday was the 1st of Muharram. Happy New Year! Rich __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use

Re: Happy New Year

2005-02-12 Thread Firouz Anaraki
Dear Rich, 1st and 2nd of Muharram are very important for Baha'is too. Birthday of the Bab is on 1st of Muharram and the Birthday of Baha'u'llah on 2nd of Muharram based on lunar calendar. Baha'is in whole Middle East celebrate these 2 days which are accounted as one in the sight of God. Happy

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/11/2005 9:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A government can be legally constituted with 37% or 44% of the vote if that's a majority. Look at us south of your border. Wrong terms! A majority is more than 50%. A PLURALITY is the most votes received

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/12/2005 1:54:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I misunderstood the example from earlier. I thought the Guardianhad disbanded the community so that he wouldn't be disobeying. If theNazis asked him where the German Bahais were, he could have just

TV/movies

2005-02-12 Thread David Friedman
I've often wondered what might be considered okay and not okay to watch as a Baha'i as far as TV and movies go. There is a lot of sex and violence in TV and movies. I have two parents with quite opposing views of what is okay and what isn't. One is very conservative and doesn't like me going

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Don Calkins
At 23:26 -0500 2/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/11/2005 9:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A government can be legally constituted with 37% or 44% of the vote if that's a majority. Look at us south of your border. Wrong terms! A majority is more

Re: TV/movies

2005-02-12 Thread Mark A. Foster
David, At 10:32 PM 2/11/2005, you wrote: I've often wondered what might be considered okay and not okay to watch as a Baha'i as far as TV and movies go. There is a lot of sex and violence in TV and movies. I have two parents with quite opposing views of what is okay and what isn't. I think

RE: TV/movies

2005-02-12 Thread David Lambert
David Friedman wrote: I've often wondered what might be considered okay and not okay to watch as a Baha'i as far as TV and movies go... *** This is an intriguing question. Personally, I very rarely watch TV. Just lately I've spent a few evenings watching network programs, and I must say that

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:30:04 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto, You wrote: If the Nazis asked him where the German Bahais were, he could have just said no, I'll never turn them over. and that would have been disobedience. But if he disbanded the Bahais that

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:51:04 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give an explanation as to why Yusuf Ali has translated whatever Arabic words Sale and Rodwell translated as unjust violence as trespasses against truth and reason. I'm not sure. I guess I would chalk

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
My apologies for having misspelled your name Gilberto. I do have one specific concern about Yusuf Ali's translation. It appears that he uses reason as a standard. How does a Muslim understand reason? Richard. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, folks, A reminder that the threat comparing Islamic and Baha'i perspectives has, at least for the time being, been ended by the list managers. With regards, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net • [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger. -- Abbott Abbie Hoffman

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Mark A. Foster
Oops! Hopefully not a Freudian slip this time. ;-) A reminder that the threat comparing Islamic and Baha'i perspectives has, at least for the time being, been ended by the list managers. thread, not threat With regards, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net • [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacred cows

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Thank you for the notice. I was not previously aware. Neither Sale nor Rodwell were Baha'is. I was not seeking to make a comparison between Baha'i and Muslim perspectives. Richard. - Original Message - From: Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Perhaps it was not Freudian. It was, nevertheless, a telling slip. Richard. - Original Message - From: Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33 Oops! Hopefully not a Freudian

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Richard, At 12:43 PM 2/12/2005, you wrote: Neither Sale nor Rodwell were Baha'is. I was not seeking to make a comparison between Baha'i and Muslim perspectives. Yes. I was just reminding all the list members about the decision. With regards, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net •

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:31:02 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies for having misspelled your name Gilberto. I do have one specific concern about Yusuf Ali's translation. It appears that he uses reason as a standard. How does a Muslim understand reason? I don't

Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-12 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Thank you. I do appreciate the warning. Richard. - Original Message - From: Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Sura VII Al Araf v. 33 Hi, Richard, At 12:43 PM 2/12/2005, you wrote: Neither

RE: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Ian Kluge
Dear Rich, I, too, remember our meeting fondly and likewise hope that this finds you and your family well. Let me add as a prefatory note that Im sure some people are wondering about why we are discussing this in such detail on Bahai Studies. However, I think it is important to get

Martyrdom of Imam Husayn

2005-02-12 Thread JS
Today is the 3rd of Muharram 1426 of the Islam calendar. In seven days, or the 10th of Muharram, the anniversary of the martyrdom of the Imam Husayn will be observed. As you all know, Bahá'u'lláhrevealed a Tablet of Visitation in honor ofthe Imam Husayn. In memory of the Imam Husaynand his

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:04:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Id be curious to know how many of the men went into the German Wehrmacht, which was the one place a person could be beyond the reach of the Gestapo, the SA or the SS. Well, it was not entirely a safe

RE: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Ian Kluge
Dear Scott, Reichsmordwoche (!!!) Wow I havent heard that term for years i.e. since the death of my father who lived in Berlin at the time as a lawyer. You realise, of course, that it was a sarcastic term and implied criticism of the Fuehrer and the SS and using it in the wrong

Re: Martyrdom of Imam Husayn

2005-02-12 Thread Gilberto Simpson
I'm not objecting to the direction the conversation is taking but I'm curious what the limits are in terms of this new (temporary?) guidline restricting the subject matter? Peace Gilberto -- pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush __ You are

Re: Martyrdom of Imam Husayn

2005-02-12 Thread JS
Hi, Just to clarify, I am not engaging in, or attempting to engage in, a Muslim-Baha'i dialogue. Baha'u'llah wrote a Tablet of Visitation for Imam Husayn, to be read on the commemoration of his martyrdom. This Tablet is part of the Baha'i Holy Text. With regards. Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL

Re: Martyrdom of Imam Husayn

2005-02-12 Thread Mark A. Foster
Gilberto, At 08:33 PM 2/12/2005, you wrote: I'm not objecting to the direction the conversation is taking but I'm curious what the limits are in terms of this new (temporary?) guidline restricting the subject matter? A lot of people complained to Susan and I over the lengthy and often

[Spam:50%] The Knowledge that Eliminates Fear

2005-02-12 Thread Firouz Anaraki
Dear FriendsAny thoughts on the following two quotations would be much appreciated. regards, Firouz "In the treasuries of the knowledge of God there lieth concealed a knowledge which, when applied, will largely, though not wholly, eliminate fear. This knowledge, however, should be taught

Re: Just governments...

2005-02-12 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:47:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be clear: the SA (Sturmabteiling) per se did not end in the Night of the Long Knives. Lutze was its next leader. What ended was the SA as the Nazis left, i.e. truly socialist wing, those, who like Roehm

Re: Martyrdom of Imam Husayn

2005-02-12 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:37:59 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto, At 08:33 PM 2/12/2005, you wrote: I'm not objecting to the direction the conversation is taking but I'm curious what the limits are in terms of this new (temporary?) guidline restricting the subject

Re: Martyrdom of Imam Husayn

2005-02-12 Thread Dean Betts
What new (temporary?) guideline? Gilberto Simpson wrote: I'm not objecting to the direction the conversation is taking but I'm curious what the limits are in terms of this new (temporary?) guidline restricting the subject matter? Peace Gilberto -- No virus found in this outgoing message.