Re: F29: Thunderbird is in English and not in my language

[Danishka Navin]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 4:42 AM Antonio M 
wrote:

> I updated my F28 and Thunderbird switched from Italian to English.
> Just a note, I suppose that I have to re-install the Italian language
> pack...
>

try

dnf install langpacks-it




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Re: Is your USB3 slow?

[Joerg Lechner via users]

 Hi,
I use usb 3 sticks since years for running Fedora - OS on the sticks (32GB). By 
the time, may be in about 1 year the USB stick becomes slow and slower, because 
it's not made for OS's, it's more and more damaged, then I use the sticks for 
films and fotos, where slow is no problem. On Fedora there is F3 to test. On 
Windows there is a program, I think it's called Crystal Disk Mark or Crystal 
Diskinfo - I don't remember, which of those - , where You can check the write 
and read speed of the stick.
Kind regards

 

 

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Verschickt: Di, 30. Okt 2018 23:46
Betreff: Is your USB3 slow?

Hi All,

FC28, x86
Xfce 4.12

I am trying to copy he new Xfce Live ISO (1.4 GB) over
to a Samsung usb 3.1 stick.  It is taking FOREVER.  And
this is typical.

Is your usb also slow by any chance?

-T
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Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/30/2018 09:44 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 10/30/2018 08:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/31/18 11:47 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
(RHEL), CentOS, and Fedora remain open source/free software after 
IBM buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

Oh, please!

Let's not go on and start another thread of useless speculation!

Nobody knows what is in store.  The sale won't even be completed 
until sometime in 2019.




+1 (or should it be +3 for him uniquely referencing RHEL, Centos, and 
Fedora?)


For the record

1) Turritopsis' email claims to be sent at 8:47pm and arrived on my 
machine at 9:39pm
2) Ed's email claims to be sent at 8:50pm and arrived on my machine at 
9:42pm

3) My reply was sent 9:44pm
4) Turritopsis's reply claims to be sent at 8:57pm and arrived on my 
machine at 9:50pm


Clearly my receiving and sending email with users _at_ 
lists.fedoraproject.org is out of sync. I have been seeing lots of posts 
from the lists come in late ... up to 24 hours.


However, I am seeing this with one other person not on list so I can't 
point to Fedora.


I am on gmail. Just wanted to let folks know that 1) things are getting 
out-of-sync "somewhere" and 2) if I had seen Turritopsis' reply I would 
not have made my +1 comment


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Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/30/2018 08:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/31/18 11:47 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), CentOS, 
and Fedora remain open source/free software after IBM buys Red Hat for $34 
Billion?

Oh, please!

Let's not go on and start another thread of useless speculation!

Nobody knows what is in store.  The sale won't even be completed until sometime 
in 2019.



+1 (or should it be +3 for him uniquely referencing RHEL, Centos, and 
Fedora?)

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Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

[Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming]

Noted with thanks. Exiting this thread.


From: Ed Greshko 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 11:50 AM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software 
After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

On 10/31/18 11:47 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), 
> CentOS, and Fedora remain open source/free software after IBM buys Red Hat 
> for $34 Billion?

Oh, please!

Let's not go on and start another thread of useless speculation!

Nobody knows what is in store.  The sale won't even be completed until sometime 
in 2019.

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Re: Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/31/18 11:47 AM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), 
> CentOS, and Fedora remain open source/free software after IBM buys Red Hat 
> for $34 Billion?

Oh, please!

Let's not go on and start another thread of useless speculation!

Nobody knows what is in store.  The sale won't even be completed until sometime 
in 2019.

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Would RHEL, CentOS, and Fedora Remain Open Source/Free Software After IBM Buys Red Hat for $34 Billion?

[Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming]

Good morning from Singapore,

This is of paramount importance. Would Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), CentOS, 
and Fedora remain open source/free software after IBM buys Red Hat for $34 
Billion?
   
 
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Re: what is the name of the os installer?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 6:59 PM, Ken Smith wrote:

Anaconda


Thank you!
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Re: what is the name of the os installer?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 6:20 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

anaconda



Thank you!
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Re: Is your USB3 slow?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 6:18 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/31/18 6:45 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

FC28, x86
Xfce 4.12

I am trying to copy he new Xfce Live ISO (1.4 GB) over
to a Samsung usb 3.1 stick.  It is taking FOREVER.  And
this is typical.

Is your usb also slow by any chance?


Nope

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ uname -r
4.18.16-200.fc28.x86_64
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ time cp Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-29-20181029.1.iso
/run/media/egreshko/0E3723CF5E376877/

real    0m50.392s
user    0m0.030s
sys 0m4.014s




mumble, mumble

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Chris Murphy]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens  wrote:

> Huh? They're just configuration-restricted PC-style laptops. There's
> nothing magical about the hardware anymore. There's no "IWM" chip in
> them. They're just laptops, which is why Linux will run on them.


Ahh they're able to run Linux mainly because they still abstract their
hardware with (U)EFI, ACPI and AHCI like other commodity hardware. But
I can't fully agree with the idea there's nothing magical about their
hardware - or rather I'd say unusual/proprietary/special. They are
baking in special things that we cannot use, including the finger
print reader, and T2 chip, and although I don't have anything new to
test this on someone told me their recent Macbook (last year or two)
they keyboard isn't recognized at all by Linux - which doesn't make
any sense to me.

Also, I know the latest Mac laptops released this summer now support
Secure Boot. However, they lack the Microsoft UEFI signing key, so
there aren't any Linux distros that can boot with Secure Boot out of
the box, since pretty much everyone depends on shim.efi or something
like it, being signed by the Microsoft UEFI signing key. And so far,
near as I can tell, there isn't end user key management for Apple
hardware.

So consider that I have a frownie face when it comes to future support
of any Linux on Apple hardware.

By the way folks: "Mac OS X" or "OS X" are the older but acceptable
terms, and the latest term is "macOS" If you're using something else,
you're kinda being like Dr Evil in this scene:

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Re: what is the name of the os installer?

[Ken Smith]

Anaconda

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:58 PM ToddAndMargo via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I keep forgetting the name of Fedora's OS installer
> (not the program installer).
>
> Many thanks,
> -T
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F28: internet essentially disconnects after a short while

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

Recently, as of last week, I installed Fedora 28 on a new XPS 13. I went with 
Openbox window manager and no desktop environment because that is what I feel 
gives me the most bang for my buck. If I am behind the times, feel free to 
correct me but that is not the issue here.

Anyway, everything works great, from what I can tell except that my network 
appears to disconnect after a while (such as 30 minutes, say). NetworkManager 
(nm-applet) indicates that the connection is valid as is the VPN but nothing 
goes or comes. The solution is to click on the connection and essentially get a 
new connection.

I had read recently about the new Fedora feature of randomizing the MAC address 
and so I tried disabling that and using the following:

 nmcli c modify e8c79829-1848-4563-8e44-466e14a3223d 
802-11-wireless.cloned-mac-address permanent

nmcli c down e8c79829-1848-4563-8e44-466e14a3223d

nmcli c up e8c79829-1848-4563-8e44-466e14a3223d

Where the mac addresses are taken from the article.

I had hoped that my issue would be go away but no dice.

Any suggestions on what I could be trying? Feel free to ask questions in case 
additional information is needed.

Many thanks and best wishes,
Ranjan


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Re: what is the name of the os installer?

[Ranjan Maitra]

anaconda?

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 18:06:09 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I keep forgetting the name of Fedora's OS installer
> (not the program installer).
> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
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Re: Is your USB3 slow?

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/31/18 6:45 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> FC28, x86
> Xfce 4.12
>
> I am trying to copy he new Xfce Live ISO (1.4 GB) over
> to a Samsung usb 3.1 stick.  It is taking FOREVER.  And
> this is typical.
>
> Is your usb also slow by any chance?

Nope

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ uname -r
4.18.16-200.fc28.x86_64
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ time cp Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-29-20181029.1.iso
/run/media/egreshko/0E3723CF5E376877/

real    0m50.392s
user    0m0.030s
sys 0m4.014s


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what is the name of the os installer?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

I keep forgetting the name of Fedora's OS installer
(not the program installer).

Many thanks,
-T
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Re: Is your USB3 slow?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 3:49 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/30/18 3:45 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

FC28, x86
Xfce 4.12

I am trying to copy he new Xfce Live ISO (1.4 GB) over
to a Samsung usb 3.1 stick.  It is taking FOREVER.  And
this is typical.

Is your usb also slow by any chance?

-T


Extra info.  "dd" goes like the wind.


I just reported it:

usb is excruciatingly slow:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1644476

-T

Dear Fedora,

Would you guys please fix this for me.  It is driving me insane!!!

Fedora 28, x64
Xfce 4.12
motherboard: Supermicro X11SAE-M

USB transfer speeds are excruciatingly SLOW.

This is a Samsung USB-C flash drive in a USB 3.0 slot

$ ls -alh Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-29-20181029.1.iso
-rw-r--r--. 1 qemu qemu 1.5G Oct 30 14:56 
Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-29-20181029.1.iso



$ time cp Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-29-20181029.1.iso 
/mnt/Rent-A-Nerd/eraseme.iso


real49m21.251s
user0m0.111s
sys 0m16.157s


49 Minutes for 1.5 GB 


Also, please not that "dd" is fast as the wind!  This is the same file 
dd'ed to a Kanguru Flash Blue 3 to the same slot:


# time dd bs=4096 if=Fedora-Xfce-Live-x86_64-29-20181029.1.iso of=/dev/sdb
370432+0 records in
370432+0 records out
1517289472 bytes (1.5 GB, 1.4 GiB) copied, 143.756 s, 10.6 MB/s

real2m23.760s
user0m0.126s
sys 0m1.822s

Two minutes.  Yippee!

So it is NOT the hardware.

This problem repeats on all my different flash drives, including SSD 
flash drives in USB 3 carriers.


Many thanks,
-T

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Doug]

On 10/30/2018 07:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 10/30/18 4:16 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/30/18 4:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


What I find different supporting Linux and OSx (weird for
the sake of weirdness) over Windows is that with Linux and OSx
I am helping set up things and assisting with program usage.

Tip on OSx, carry your own mouse and a Live Fedora Stick.
Press the flower key when booting a live stick.

The artsy-fartsy mouse that ships with Macs drives
me nuts.  Weird for the sake of weirdness.

Gnome is on the weird side, but Apple hardware
takes the cake.

/snip/

Well, yeah, but as you said, Gnome's weird. KDE is weird if you're 
used to Gnome or Xfce.
I have been using KDE for years, and I think it's a natural for anyone 
used to Windows--i.e., most
all of us. Some of the Linux versions I have seen--the last time I 
looked at Ubuntu, for instance--
seem to have gone out of their way to make everything Windowish work 
backwards! The
panel at the top, the window controls on the left--ugh! And some version 
has the panel on the
left side of the screen. What are they trying to prove? Now the version 
I run (PCLOS) took the
windows controls and made them into a traffic light--red, green and 
yellow. After all, MS did
NOT invent windows, Xerox did. MS only refined it, and at XP made a 
pretty good desktop.

(Never mind all the problems Windows brings up!)
Rant off!   --doug



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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 4:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

but Apple hardware
takes the cake.



Huh? They're just configuration-restricted PC-style laptops.


I wasn't referring to the internals.  I was referring to their
weird mice and keyboards.  I hate their keyboards.  I am
a buckling spring guy.  (I have know how to type since I was
17.)

> OSX is simply BSD Unix. (S! Don't tell anyone! It's a secret!)

You should hear their consternation when you tell them that.
If you want to stay on their good side, you have to all
it "posix unix".  Chuckle.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/30/18 4:16 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 10/30/18 4:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> 
>> What I find different supporting Linux and OSx (weird for
>> the sake of weirdness) over Windows is that with Linux and OSx
>> I am helping set up things and assisting with program usage.
> 
> Tip on OSx, carry your own mouse and a Live Fedora Stick.
> Press the flower key when booting a live stick.
> 
> The artsy-fartsy mouse that ships with Macs drives
> me nuts.  Weird for the sake of weirdness.
> 
> Gnome is on the weird side, but Apple hardware
> takes the cake.  

Huh? They're just configuration-restricted PC-style laptops. There's
nothing magical about the hardware anymore. There's no "IWM" chip in
them. They're just laptops, which is why Linux will run on them. One
of the strengths of Linux is it's pretty hardware-agnostic. This also
can be a shortcoming, too, as hardware vendors often won't share data
needed to build drivers, so those are often reverse engineered and may
not have all the "features" one might want.

> And I am constantly having to explain
> to folks how to use OSx's weird task bar at the top.

Well, yeah, but as you said, Gnome's weird. KDE is weird if you're
used to Gnome or Xfce. Xfce is weird if you're used to something else.
Every desktop is "different" and takes getting used to. And remember,
under that cute, glitzy desktop, OSX is simply BSD Unix. (S! Don't
tell anyone! It's a secret!)
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 4:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


What I find different supporting Linux and OSx (weird for
the sake of weirdness) over Windows is that with Linux and OSx
I am helping set up things and assisting with program usage.


Tip on OSx, carry your own mouse and a Live Fedora Stick.
Press the flower key when booting a live stick.

The artsy-fartsy mouse that ships with Macs drives
me nuts.  Weird for the sake of weirdness.

Gnome is on the weird side, but Apple hardware
takes the cake.  And I am constantly having to explain
to folks how to use OSx's weird task bar at the top.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 3:47 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:37:39 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:


Windows 10 causes my customers all kinds of trouble.  But
they can do nothing about it.


why not run linux as a subsystem where it fits? They'd have quite a lot
of knowledge already about office(s) and browsers, those skills should
transfer ok.

Dave


Believe me.  EVERYWHERE I can, I run it.

Fedora makes a great file server too.

I just quoted a lady who only wants a simple, off line computer
to run freecell.  (The one you guys helped me with a great
collection of granny games.)

I have another elderly lady whose Dell will no longer operate
with Windows.  Happens as the motherboard degrades.  Put her
on Fedora 25 and she just runs and runs and runs.  Had to
show her where the print button was on Thunderbird once and
had to install a new printer for her once too.  Nothing
ever goes wrong.

What I find different supporting Linux and OSx (weird for
the sake of weirdness) over Windows is that with Linux and OSx
I am helping set up things and assisting with program usage.

I do the same with Windows, but I also spend a ton of
time on system and quality issues, not to mention junkware
and such.

I really hate putting   together custom system with Windows
Nein, oops, Windows Ten.  It is such utter junk.  It is
what it is.
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Re: Is your USB3 slow?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 3:45 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

FC28, x86
Xfce 4.12

I am trying to copy he new Xfce Live ISO (1.4 GB) over
to a Samsung usb 3.1 stick.  It is taking FOREVER.  And
this is typical.

Is your usb also slow by any chance?

-T


Extra info.  "dd" goes like the wind.

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Dave Stevens]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:37:39 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users  wrote:

> Windows 10 causes my customers all kinds of trouble.  But
> they can do nothing about it.

why not run linux as a subsystem where it fits? They'd have quite a lot
of knowledge already about office(s) and browsers, those skills should
transfer ok.

Dave


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Is your USB3 slow?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

FC28, x86
Xfce 4.12

I am trying to copy he new Xfce Live ISO (1.4 GB) over
to a Samsung usb 3.1 stick.  It is taking FOREVER.  And
this is typical.

Is your usb also slow by any chance?

-T
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 3:15 PM, jdow wrote:

Not superior in many cases in the most important criterion of all.
Does it run the software you need to use? There are times the answer
to that question is a simple "no and likely won't for quite some
time to come." If you are a serious user then you pick the OS that
runs the software you want to use. If you are a computer hobbyist,
you can use whatever OS suits your fancy and find fun things to do
with it. For AV work Macs are arguably "the best" with Windows "not
bad" and Linux "pathetic at best", especially for live AV work.


Exactly.  It does not matter how technically superior an OS
is if it will not run the software you need.  This is Linux's
downfall and why it has not been adopted more widely.  It is
what it is.

I would not have a job if not for M$.  M$ will go down in
the history of marketing as the company that managed to
sell "defective" ice makers to Eskimos.

Windows 10 causes my customers all kinds of trouble.  But
they can do nothing about it.

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Re: Networkmanager Wait Online Failing at Boot Time

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/31/18 5:36 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 30/10/18 1:14 pm, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 10/30/18 6:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> This test may not be valid in your environment.  What O/S is running on the 
>>> server side?
>> FWIW, I have a Windows 10 VM that I've resurrected.  I shared a folder and 
>> used the same
>> format entry in the fstab.
>>
>> It mounts just fine on reboot.   Having a bit of trouble figuring on the 
>> Windows side
>> allowing writing but that is due to my limited knowledge of MS products and
>> terminology.  :-)
>
> To be honest I don't know what operating is on the NAS device, and I can't 
> see any
> information in the web interface to tell me, but having said that I haven't 
> really tried
> to find out either. I'm assuming its linux, but I can't be sure.
>
> The device seems to show itself as a Windows accessible device by default 
> (which under
> Linux I'm using CIFS to mount it) and also provides an NFS server interface 
> that can be
> activated if desired (which I have done and I mount it via NFS under Linux as 
> well). In
> my fstab entry for the CIFS mount I've added a systemd parameter to serialise 
> the CIFS
> mount behind the nfs mount, as some time ago I had issues where the NAS 
> controller
> couldn't handle systemd trying to do the automounting of the NFS and CIFS 
> mount points
> at the same time. Both mount points are the same physical storage, as I can 
> write data
> to the device under linux via the CIFS mount point or under Windows 10 and 
> the NFS mount
> point under Linux can see the data, but the same doesn't always apply the 
> other way
> around. I have a situation where I wrote a .apk file to the device from linux 
> via the
> NFS mount point and that file is not visible on the device from Windows 10 
> nor from the
> CIFS mount point under Linux, but as expected it continues to be visible via 
> the Linux
> NFS mount point.
>
> With the NFS mount process failing at boot time because of the Networkmanager 
> Wait
> Online process timing out, the CIFS serialisation cause that mount to fail at 
> boot as
> well, consequently I've added the x-systemd.automount parameter to both mount
> definitions in fstab. Having done this issue the command "ls /mnt/nfs" mounts 
> the nfs
> interface as expected, but I can't get the same functionality to mount the 
> CIFS mount
> point, which I thought might have something to do with CIFS only being 
> mountable by root
> and not by an ordinary user.
>
>

Ahhh  FWIW, I changed my fstab to

//192.168.1.152/music /music cifs
credentials=/home/egreshko/.cifspw,rw,uid=egreshko,gid=egreshko,x-systemd.automount
 0 0
//192.168.1.124/egreshko /home/egreshko/win10 cifs
credentials=/home/egreshko/.cifspw,rw,uid=egreshko,gid=egreshko,x-systemd.automount
 0 0

.152 is a Linux based NAS
.124 is a Win10 system

After reboot.

[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ df
Filesystem    1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/fedora_f29bk-root  29106188 7648616  19955980  28% /
/dev/sda1    999320  216812    713696  24% /boot

[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ ls /music
 ACDC  part-1
 Adele part-2
'Bruce Springsteen'   'Spyro Gyra - Down The Wire (2009)'
'Lady Gaga'   'The Rolling Stones - GRRR! - Deluxe Edition {mp3 
320kbps}'
'Manhattan Transfer'

[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/fedora_f29bk-root   29106188   7648612   19955984  28% /
/dev/sda1 999320    216812 713696  24% /boot
//192.168.1.152/music 2879621632 906374608 1973247024  32% /music

[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ ls win10
'3D Objects'
 AppData


[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/fedora_f29bk-root   29106188   7648612   19955984  28% /
/dev/sda1 999320    216812 713696  24% /boot
//192.168.1.152/music 2879621632 906374608 1973247024  32% /music
//192.168.1.124/egreshko    66110996  24305564   41805432  37% 
/home/egreshko/win10

So, no problems.  No root needed.


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F29: Thunderbird is in English and not in my language

[Antonio M]

I updated my F28 and Thunderbird switched from Italian to English.
Just a note, I suppose that I have to re-install the Italian language
pack...
Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 28 Workstation
da/from Gmail
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[jdow]

On 20181030 14:48, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/30/18 2:12 PM, bruce wrote:

I am staying away from politics on the forum.  Sufice
it to say, dems do like their cheese.



and if you think "fedora" is better than the os that msoft creates..
really???  guess it depends on what you consider "better"... 


I am IT support to small businesses.  I mainly work on
Windows, so I get to compare Linux and Windows on a daily
basis.  My own business is Linux based.  I wish I had
more Linux clients, but ..

Fedora is technically superior to Windows in every respect.
Folks do not use it because M$ has son the application wars.
A small business can not run on Linux. It is what it is.


Not superior in many cases in the most important criterion of all.
Does it run the software you need to use? There are times the answer
to that question is a simple "no and likely won't for quite some
time to come." If you are a serious user then you pick the OS that
runs the software you want to use. If you are a computer hobbyist,
you can use whatever OS suits your fancy and find fun things to do
with it. For AV work Macs are arguably "the best" with Windows "not
bad" and Linux "pathetic at best", especially for live AV work.

Now, can we leave off the po1itics? We can wait and see what
happens. Starting off whining and whimpering simply buys stress
and problems over worries about something that may not happen and
over which you have no control. Yeah, I have worries. But, I have
a life to live so I am getting on with it. I just could not let
your calumny above ride. It was ill thought out.

{o.o}
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 2:12 PM, bruce wrote:

I am staying away from politics on the forum.  Sufice
it to say, dems do like their cheese.



and if you think "fedora" is better than the os that msoft creates..
really???  guess it depends on what you consider "better"...  


I am IT support to small businesses.  I mainly work on
Windows, so I get to compare Linux and Windows on a daily
basis.  My own business is Linux based.  I wish I had
more Linux clients, but ..

Fedora is technically superior to Windows in every respect.
Folks do not use it because M$ has son the application wars.
A small business can not run on Linux. It is what it is.



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Re: Networkmanager Wait Online Failing at Boot Time

[Stephen Morris]

On 30/10/18 1:14 pm, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/30/18 6:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

This test may not be valid in your environment.  What O/S is running on the 
server side?

FWIW, I have a Windows 10 VM that I've resurrected.  I shared a folder and used 
the same
format entry in the fstab.

It mounts just fine on reboot.   Having a bit of trouble figuring on the 
Windows side
allowing writing but that is due to my limited knowledge of MS products and 
terminology.  :-)


To be honest I don't know what operating is on the NAS device, and I 
can't see any information in the web interface to tell me, but having 
said that I haven't really tried to find out either. I'm assuming its 
linux, but I can't be sure.


The device seems to show itself as a Windows accessible device by 
default (which under Linux I'm using CIFS to mount it) and also provides 
an NFS server interface that can be activated if desired (which I have 
done and I mount it via NFS under Linux as well). In my fstab entry for 
the CIFS mount I've added a systemd parameter to serialise the CIFS 
mount behind the nfs mount, as some time ago I had issues where the NAS 
controller couldn't handle systemd trying to do the automounting of the 
NFS and CIFS mount points at the same time. Both mount points are the 
same physical storage, as I can write data to the device under linux via 
the CIFS mount point or under Windows 10 and the NFS mount point under 
Linux can see the data, but the same doesn't always apply the other way 
around. I have a situation where I wrote a .apk file to the device from 
linux via the NFS mount point and that file is not visible on the device 
from Windows 10 nor from the CIFS mount point under Linux, but as 
expected it continues to be visible via the Linux NFS mount point.


With the NFS mount process failing at boot time because of the 
Networkmanager Wait Online process timing out, the CIFS serialisation 
cause that mount to fail at boot as well, consequently I've added the 
x-systemd.automount parameter to both mount definitions in fstab. Having 
done this issue the command "ls /mnt/nfs" mounts the nfs interface as 
expected, but I can't get the same functionality to mount the CIFS mount 
point, which I thought might have something to do with CIFS only being 
mountable by root and not by an ordinary user.



regards,

Steve
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/30/18 1:37 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:33 PM Rick Stevens  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Do big IBM (or any) mainframes still exist?
> 
> 
> You can still buy S/390's, but the big money is not in mainframes, but
> in supercomputers. It used to be (in the days of Seymour Cray) that a
> supercomputer just had a really fast processor that could do vector
> processing (running the same instruction on a whole block of memory
> locations in parallel in a single clock tick), but we have pretty much
> gotten to light speed limitations on how fast a processor can be, so 
> IBM's supercomputers these days are clusters of thousands of processors
> and cores, exchanging data over specialized high-speed fabrics such as
> Infiniband.  Linux is critical to making this work (as well as
> specialized application libraries to support interprocess communication
> on such as system). The IBM supercomputers I have seen all use a variant
> of Red Hat Linux, so I wouldn't be surprised if acquiring Linux
> developers might not be the main reason for IBM to want to buy Red Hat.

That's what I was getting at. The original mainframe concept is fairly
passe' now. What we have are massively parallel compute platforms now.
They were very niche before (Cray, Connection Machines, Comprex, et al),
but now seem to be more mainstream and generally more expandable.

I agree that the manner in which Linux (or any truly multi-threaded
system) works makes sense for such platforms. The few supercomputers
I've seen also used Linux or some variant of BSD/Unix. Getting in-house
talent to support those things is a reasonable goal. However, Linux (the
kernel) and Gnu/Linux (the system) have built-in safeguards in their
licensing that would prevent IBM from taking the code private (not that
they wouldn't try).

Now, will they (IBM) allow Red Hat to continue developing (for lack of a
better term) public domain code? That's what worries we Fedorans (sic)
as a group. It's a good question and one we really can't answer at this
time.

I'm hoping IBM leaves Red Hat more-or-less alone. Red Hat's been
successful using their existing model--which is why IBM wanted them in
the first place. There's little good in buggering a working model. If
it's not broken, don't try to fix it. Or, as G. Harry Stine wrote in
"Force of Arms", "If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid!"
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[bruce]

sooo...

all left leaning dems... all we want is to have the gubment do
everything.. while we just suck off dat gov cheeze??

good lord dude.. what/where did you sprout from???

and if you think "fedora" is better than the os that msoft creates..
really???  guess it depends on what you consider "better"...   but
flame wars are for people who have plenty of spare time...



On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:55 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:
>
> On 10/30/18 12:53 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:19:44 -0700
> > Paul Allen Newell  wrote:
> >
> >> ToddAndMargo:
> >>
> >> Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
> >> might be coming in RHEL/Centos
> >>
> >> Paul
> >
> > yes but not as good as a written roadmap
> >
> > d
> >
>
> It is beyond me how Red Hat manages to so bugger up Fedora
> when they convert it to RHEL.
>
> If I were to speculate, I do believe it is the Open Source
> economic model coming to play.  You give away to software
> and charge for the services.  If you want something fixed,
> you have to pay for it.  Code Weaver and Wine is another
> example of this.  (Thank goodness for Wine Staging!)
>
> And, if you can not afford to place Red Hat's or Code Weaver's
> developers on your payroll, you are relegates to begging and
> swearing or do it yourself if you have the chops.
>
> I could be wrong.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[kevin martin]

Yep, just had that conversation with somebody else the other day and said
the same thing, we're stuck with it now.

---


Regards,

Kevin Martin


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> On 10/30/18 10:00 AM, kevin martin wrote:
> > Yeah, love the way systemd names interaces nowadays...bleah!]
>
> Systemd does NOT name interfaces. That's the job of udev and the new,
> bus-based names happened before the adoption of systemd.
>
> I'm not a lover of systemd. I consider it to be a solution in search of
> a problem and I find it overly complex and buggy, but we're stuck with
> it now.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Chris Murphy]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 12:47 PM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> Now we're really getting OT. I lived in Venezuela for over 30 years and
> think I know more about the situation there than pretty much anyone
> else on this list. I do NOT want to discuss it here.
>
> I suggest this thread stay on topic and be limited to specific comments
> on the IBM acquisition and what it may mean.


I agree. My undergraduate was political science and the real world is
extremely nuanced and complicated and treacherous, and the terms used in
politics have almost entirely different meanings in political science.

The vast majority of this thread reminds me of Feynman being asked about
magnetism. YouTube it. It's hilarious and spot on. He's like, 'I can't even
have a coherent conversion about it (with the interviewer) because while
the question is reasonable and interesting, without a basic (which isn't so
basic) common frame of reference every answer I give you, you won't
understand, and every metaphor I use is cheating you of a valid answer and
therefore misleading.'

Single quote denotes paraphrasing.


Chris Murphy
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Greg Woods]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:33 PM Rick Stevens  wrote:

>
> Do big IBM (or any) mainframes still exist?
>

You can still buy S/390's, but the big money is not in mainframes, but in
supercomputers. It used to be (in the days of Seymour Cray) that a
supercomputer just had a really fast processor that could do vector
processing (running the same instruction on a whole block of memory
locations in parallel in a single clock tick), but we have pretty much
gotten to light speed limitations on how fast a processor can be, so  IBM's
supercomputers these days are clusters of thousands of processors and
cores, exchanging data over specialized high-speed fabrics such as
Infiniband.  Linux is critical to making this work (as well as specialized
application libraries to support interprocess communication on such as
system). The IBM supercomputers I have seen all use a variant of Red Hat
Linux, so I wouldn't be surprised if acquiring Linux developers might not
be the main reason for IBM to want to buy Red Hat.

--Greg
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Kevin Fenzi]

Please move the politics to some other forum.

kevin



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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/30/2018 12:53 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:19:44 -0700
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
might be coming in RHEL/Centos

Paul

yes but not as good as a written roadmap

d




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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 12:53 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:19:44 -0700
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
might be coming in RHEL/Centos

Paul


yes but not as good as a written roadmap

d



It is beyond me how Red Hat manages to so bugger up Fedora
when they convert it to RHEL.

If I were to speculate, I do believe it is the Open Source
economic model coming to play.  You give away to software
and charge for the services.  If you want something fixed,
you have to pay for it.  Code Weaver and Wine is another
example of this.  (Thank goodness for Wine Staging!)

And, if you can not afford to place Red Hat's or Code Weaver's
developers on your payroll, you are relegates to begging and
swearing or do it yourself if you have the chops.

I could be wrong.




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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Dave Stevens]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:19:44 -0700
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> ToddAndMargo:
> 
> Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what 
> might be coming in RHEL/Centos
> 
> Paul

yes but not as good as a written roadmap

d


-- 
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 10:14 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Guys, this is NOT a political forum. Please stop trying to compare
capitalism and communism and socialism here. It's not appropriate
subject matter for this list. Take it to a political forum somewhere
else.


Rick is correct.

If anyone wishes to elaborate on the economic systems, please
write me directly and not on the forum.

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Re: I need granny games!

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 10:55 AM, Beartooth wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:43:36 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


Hi All,

I have a customer (actually she is a great grand mother) who wants me
"specifically" to put her together a cheap machine to only play
Freecell.  No internet, no printing, no sound.
So Xfce, Fedora, and K Patience to the rescue.


On list, at least, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned The
Great Grandmother of Computer Games, variously called Adventure or
Colossal Cave.



Thank you!
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Re: Bulk preparation of LiveUSBs or installed to a USB drive

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/29/18 11:31 AM, Danishka Navin wrote:
I have to prepare hundreds of USB sticks which need to either papre as a 
liveUSB or make it as a installed system (using the USB as the storage 
when installing fedora).


If you must run the system from USB, then do it as an installed system. 
The live method either has no persistent storage or if you use an 
overlay, there is a limit to how many changes you can make before it 
runs out of space.


Assuming all the USB sticks are the same, my suggestion is to install 
Fedora to one drive and configure it how you want it.  Then use dd to 
make an image of it and write that image to all the rest.  If the drives 
are not all exactly the same, then partition the first one to be the 
smallest size of all the drives (or use the smallest drive) so that the 
resulting image will fit on all of them.

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 3:34 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:57:19AM +, Frau Silvia Sánchez wrote:

Hi Fred and all,
Well, I understand although disagree.  If one doesn't want upgrades,
there are other systems like Debian stable.  Besides upgrades aren't
mandatory, as ToddandMargo said, if you don't want them simply turn
them off.  Last but not least, why do you need to reinstall?  Upgrading
from one version to another is as smooth as it can be.  I don't see
reinstalling as a pain, in any average computer will take only few
minutes, but well, it's understandable that you may not want to go
through it.  But what reinstalling for?  Why not just upgrading the
system?  Am I missing something?
Kind regards,
Silvia


Updates are necessary if you want to keep it secure. Many distros
are new annually or more often, and only keep issuing patches for
the most recent or two most recent releases.once  you go past that
point you're asking for trouble.

Not wanting to do a full upgrade annually doesn't mean I want an
insecure system.


Basically, not all the insecure.  If you look at the Windows world,
the breaking rates of unsupported XP versus supported W7 shows
that XP is more secure.  So a lot of it depends on what you are doing
with your system.  An older version of Firefox may not have the
vulnerability that a new one does or even the capability of executing
the vulnerability.

The breaking rates for Fedora are very, very close to zero.  Plus
by using Linux, you are doing security by obscurity.  Linux
has very little market share, so the bad guys don't waste
the time.  Plus M$ makes the garbage easy to break into.
Fedora is the opposite.

Again, looking at the Windows world, Windows 10 have "releases".
1803 is the current one.  When M$ upgrades to the next release,
it is a full reinstall of the system.  And if causes HAVOC
on the customers.  I get requested frequently to just turn
the stinking things off.  M$ upgrades have caused far more
damage than any viruses ever did in a lot of cases.

Me personally, on my Windows VM's updates are turned off.
They have to work when I need them and I hardly ever use
them on the internet.  Plus, anyone trying to reverse into
them have to rub the gauntlet of iptables.  And they
are usually off anyway

And Fedora, on the other hand, has make upgrades really simple.
And they are very professional about how they do it.  The opposite
of M$.

I always love to see what is new in Fedora.  I cringe at whenever M$
does a new release (one is supposedly coming up soon).




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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 10:10 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:25 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 10:19 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 10/29/2018 09:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users
wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:


On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:

I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the
neck.by Bruce
Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being
different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation
but was
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just
"leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".&
I'd rather
not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good
replacement for
Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II

Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.

Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average
capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long
view which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt
that Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A
good place to start looking for that would be Somalia.


U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL. RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.

Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux
every six
months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.

They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
of many modern features and bug fixes.


+1


Why are you using Fedora?



ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
might be coming in RHEL/Centos

Paul


Hi Paul,

Back when I was using RHEL and Clones, I use to say "What goes
on in Fedora, eventually winds up in RHEL."


Technically, at some point a specific Fedora BECOMES the next RHEL
(and eventually CentOS) release. IIRC, Fedora 18 got frozen and
became RHEL/CentOS 7. That's what I mean about Fedora being essentially
Beta versions of RHEL.


Exactly.  And I knew what you meant.  Sorry for any misunderstanding.



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Re: Bulk preparation of LiveUSBs or installed to a USB drive

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/30/18 10:03 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Send the sticks out, give instructions for the proper way to run the
kickstart (it's not that difficult, just some extra typing they need to
do at the boot prompt), then let the USB stick and kickstart install the
system to their local hard drive. No lifespan issues and fast disk I/O.


Just modify the boot menu before sending them out.  Or create a copy of 
the drive including the modified boot menu and use that to image the rest.

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 2:40 AM, Frau Silvia Sánchez wrote:


Hi ToddandMargo,

I don't want to get into a political argument, just point out to a 
couple of things:
First:  Venezuela is not socialist.  Their government claimed to be, but 
they weren't, they aren't and they won't be.


They are trying to be and the result is what is expected.  That you
do not like the outcome, does not make them any less socialist.
Good Socialists only exist on paper.  They have NEVER been able to
implement it.

Second: Nazis and Soviets weren't the same, but you seem to put them in 
the same box. Except in the mass murdering and pervasive propaganda.  

> But those are general features of totalitarian governments.  Just to
> make it clearer, Nazis were extreme right and Soviets were
> extreme left.

Actually they are two sides of the same coin.

National Socialist (Nazi) is based on the teachings of Karl Marx.

 “National socialism derives from each of two camps the
 pure idea that characterises it: National resolution from
 bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the
 teaching of Marxism.” -- Hitler, [January, 1934] Schoenbaum,  p.57

The Nazis are FLAMING LEFTISTS, not right wingers.  They only became
Right Wingers when General Patton's rolled into the concentration
camps and the press arrives with him and those horrible pictures
where presented to the world.  And the Left was extremely embarrassed.
Calling them right wingers is the twist of the propagandists tongue.
I can't wait to hear the Soviets being called Right wingers when
Russia FINALLY comes to grips with the Soviet terror and details
start pouring out.

Think it through.  The Right believes in limited government
and the rights of the individual.  The Left believes in the
supremacy of the state over the individual.  The Nazis
lived and acted like socialists.  It was massive government
and no rights to the individual.

Both are the extreme Left and tragic example of what
socialism devolved into.

I know folks that have lived under both the Nazis and the Soviets.
They stated to me that only difference was the language they spoke.



Third:  Communism and Socialism are not the same.


They are variations of the same poison.  Socialism never
worked anywhere it is tried.  It requires the force of the
barrel of a gun to get A to give up the fruits of his labors
to B.  And A will only do it once and become B to protect
himself.  This is why Socialism always results in poverty
and despotism.

The argument that failed Socialists are not real Socialist
or are Right Wingers and that you should keep trying to repeat
what does not work over and over and over has is is still
having tragic consequences on humanity.  Again, Venezuela is
a tragic example of what doesn't work being forced down the
throats of others.  "Oh they were not 'real' socialists" because
to did not work out they way it was laid out on paper.

It is time for us to all learn from history and not relive
it.  200 million souls IS ENOUGH.

The alternative is the Free Market, where you are forced to
take care of your customer to meet your own needs.  And yes,
it is not perfect.  Folks do cheat all the time.  Microsoft
for example.

So here is a thought.  Use the legitimate power of government
to protect one citizen from another and force the free market
down the throats of the cheaters.  M$ should have been broken
up into several companies.  Beats the hell out of poverty and
tyranny.

I hope Fedora makes it through the IBM purchase.  I am a
YUGE fan of Fedora.




Kind regards,
Silvia


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Re: Bulk preparation of LiveUSBs or installed to a USB drive

[Danishka Navin]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:28 PM Rick Stevens  wrote:

> On 10/29/18 9:40 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > Thanks for your quick response.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:26 AM Rick Stevens  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 10/29/18 11:31 AM, Danishka Navin wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I have to prepare hundreds of USB sticks which need to either
> > papre as a
> > > liveUSB or make it as a installed system (using the USB as the
> storage
> > > when installing fedora).
> >
> > You can install to a USB stick if you want. Generally, Linux running
> on
> > any sort of a USB drive is quite slow, so keep that in mind.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I know but this is to avoid misconfiguration of over 1000 servers
> > across the country within a small window with less technical people in
> > remote areas.
>
> Using this method, they'd have a running system by booting the USB
> stick, but it'd be very slow as everything would run off the USB stick.
> Also remember that there's a limited number of write cycles you can do
> to FLASH drives, which would limit the lifespan of the system.
>
> While it might take a bit more time for you to craft, you might actually
> be better off in building a USB stick that has both the installable
> image and a kickstart file in it that would do a full, automated install
> to their local hard drive. That's what kickstart is intended to do. Once
> you have that USB stick (installable image and the kickstart file), you
> can duplicate that onto multiple sticks using the image method.
>
> > You could then clone the USB stick to other USB sticks via "dd" using
> > the raw, block devices. Assuming /dev/sdb is the drive you installed
> to
> > and /dev/sdc is the intended target:
> >
> > dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=4k,sync
> >
> > You could also make an image of the stick on hard drive using dd:
> >
> > dd if=/dev/sdb of=/somefilename.img bs=4k,sync
> >
> >
> > this means once installed ISO in to USB (completion of anaconda and post
> > installation) create an .img ?
>
> Once a running system is on the USB stick and is bootable, you'd create
> an image (.img). I use .img to differentiate between an ISO and a
> running system. An ISO image (.iso) is essentially an image of a CD or
> DVD and has a specific format as to file naming limits and the like and
> BIOS/UEFI firmware know how to boot an CD/DVD and a .iso file emulates
> that.
>
> Using the .img, things would run off the USB stick, with the slow I/O
> and potentially limited lifespan issues I mentioned above.
>
> If we're about the kickstart mechanism, you'd create a USB stick that
> contains the ISO image of the installable system and your kickstart
> file. You'd make an image of that stick, then duplicate it to multiple
> sticks.
>
> Send the sticks out, give instructions for the proper way to run the
> kickstart (it's not that difficult, just some extra typing they need to
> do at the boot prompt), then let the USB stick and kickstart install the
> system to their local hard drive. No lifespan issues and fast disk I/O.
>
> As I said, you'll have to craft the kickstart file yourself, but it's
> not really that hard. Google "install via kickstart" and you'll see
> what's involved.
>
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Thanks Rick,

Use case of deploying 1000 servers is to run moodle based exam and its
required to confirm nothing left in the system (including student created
files).
So, it was already planned to get the USB drive after exam and no need to
worry about someone has to clean the system or/and no need to worry about
original system in each server.

Since no one install it at the exam center (as we clone an image to all usb
drives) no need to know the root password.
So, this is the current approach.

Regards,
-- 
Danishka Navin
http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
http://twitter.com/danishkanavin
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Re: F28 server boots to the grub prompt even after dnf update and grub2-mkconfig

[stan]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 11:28:36 -0600
linux guy  wrote:

> I have an up to date F28 server that boots to the grub prompt.   This
> started after a failed dnf update.
> 
> The computer will boot to an emergency mode command prompt if I set
> it up properly from the grub prompt.
> 
> grub> set root=(lvm/fedora-root)
> grub> linuxefi (hd0,gpt2)/vmlinuz-0-rescue...
> grub> root=/dev/mapper/fedora-root
> grub>initrdefi (hd0,gpt2)/initramfs-0-rescueimg
> grub>boot  
> 
> I can get networking working
> #ls /sys/call/net   <- find Ethernet device is enp3s0
> # ifup enp3s0
> # ping www.google.com
> 
> Now update it
> # dnf update

Does dnf give any errors because of the interrupted update?

> 
> Regenerate the grub2 config file
> # grub2-mkconfig
> 
> Reboot
> # shutdown -r now
> 
> It still boots to the grub prompt.
> Why does it boot to the grub prompt and what do I need to do to fix
> it ?

Two things you should try.

1.  If not already, remove rhgb and quiet from the kernel boot line so
you can see the boot messages, and the final error that is throwing you
into the grub prompt.

2.  After getting the system up and before you reboot, look in the
journal to see what is reported about the issue causing the drop to a
grub prompt.
journalctl -b
will show the last boot.

That you have to set the root manually suggests to me that the boot
record isn't pointing to the right place.  Correcting this is different
for uefi and mbr, so you'll have to tell us which method you are
using.  I don't see how this could happen from an interrupted dnf
update unless the disk was somehow corrupted, but it is what it is.
Maybe you should try running a non destructive file system check to see
that the file system is intact.

If you have a rescue cd or usb, it is a lot easier to boot it and do
these kinds of things from a separate fully functioning system.
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Re: I need granny games!

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On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:43:36 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a customer (actually she is a great grand mother) who wants me
> "specifically" to put her together a cheap machine to only play
> Freecell.  No internet, no printing, no sound.
> So Xfce, Fedora, and K Patience to the rescue.

On list, at least, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned The 
Great Grandmother of Computer Games, variously called Adventure or 
Colossal Cave.

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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/31/18 12:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> OK. I didn't get the memo. Was there anything on the Announce list (or
> this one)?

One the Announce List, yes.

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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 16:42 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 22:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 10/30/18 9:37 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 13:41 +0100, Jiri Vanek wrote:
> > > > Does anybody have a clue what to try?
> > > 
> > > F29 is unreleased. Try the Fedora Test list.
> > 
> > You can't say that any longer
> > 
> > https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/
> 
> OK. I didn't get the memo. Was there anything on the Announce list (or
> this one)?
> 
> poc
> 

Never mind, I just saw it on the Announce list. Doesn't seem to have
been copied to this one though, which is unusual.

poc
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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[stan]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 13:41:50 +0100
Jiri Vanek  wrote:

I'm not familiar with hdmi, but I'll try to give you some ideas.

> I have f29 (ernel kernel-4.18.12-300.fc29  ) on  machine, which is
> changing its place from time to time - between two TVs. Old, and
> older:)
> 
> Both are connected by HDMI. Video output is fine, even acceleration
> is working,  but sound work only on newer of those two.
> 
> I don't know if this is regression, because this machine replaced 32b
> rapbery2 with kodi, which was working without issues on both TVs (but
> was eaten by (not mine) dog)

Can you try an older version of the kernel?  Or alsa?  It sure sounds
like a regression, but the audio information doesn't support that.  Just
a check to be sure.

> 
> I was following
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems but had
> not found much:
>  - with removed pulseaudio, the aplay -vv segfaults
>  - I really on pulseaudio anyway, as I need to transfer sound to
> this machine over network
> 
>  - the diff of alsa-info.sh's is really minimal [1], only
> [cite]
> state.vc4hdmi {
>   control.1 {
>   iface PCM
>   name ELD
>   value '1700671200014c2d9d02
> for non working and
>   value '1700671200014c2d9b03
> for working
> [/cite]

If alsa didn't know about the interface for the failing device, it
wouldn't be able to specify a control.  Are there any warnings or
errors in the journal during boot, or when trying to play?  
> 
>   - when alsamixer is opened, then the default looks like working,
> and the job on old tv; but not do nothing older tv.
>   - when alsamixer -c0 is opened, then the  vc4-hdmi reports no
> control for selected device for *both* tvs (which is same as f6 and
> selecting vc4-hdmi)
> 
> Does anybody have a clue what to try?

Great troubleshooting report, very complete.

Is it possible that you changed a setting on the older TV that isn't
working?  Because, like you said, it *should* be working.

What happens if you just use an audio player to send only audio to the
older TV from the command line?  Maybe try such with debugging enabled.
Or look in the logs to see if it complains about anything.

e.g. mplayer -vv [audio-file]
or
mplayer -vv -novideo [video-file]

Since the hdmi is the only device, it should route to the TV to play.
I think.

If there are no errors and it acts like it is playing, that really
points to the older TV having an issue.
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F28 server boots to the grub prompt even after dnf update and grub2-mkconfig

[linux guy]

I have an up to date F28 server that boots to the grub prompt.   This
started after a failed dnf update.

The computer will boot to an emergency mode command prompt if I set it up
properly from the grub prompt.

grub> set root=(lvm/fedora-root)
grub> linuxefi (hd0,gpt2)/vmlinuz-0-rescue... root=/dev/mapper/fedora-root
grub>initrdefi (hd0,gpt2)/initramfs-0-rescueimg
grub>boot

I can get networking working
#ls /sys/call/net   <- find Ethernet device is enp3s0
# ifup enp3s0
# ping www.google.com

Now update it
# dnf update

Regenerate the grub2 config file
# grub2-mkconfig

Reboot
# shutdown -r now

It still boots to the grub prompt.
Why does it boot to the grub prompt and what do I need to do to fix it ?
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/30/18 10:00 AM, kevin martin wrote:
> Yeah, love the way systemd names interaces nowadays...bleah!]

Systemd does NOT name interfaces. That's the job of udev and the new,
bus-based names happened before the adoption of systemd.

I'm not a lover of systemd. I consider it to be a solution in search of
a problem and I find it overly complex and buggy, but we're stuck with
it now.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/29/18 11:27 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 10/29/18 10:30 PM, Tim via users wrote:
>> We have a prime example in this country of Telstra (a phone company).
>> They bugger everyone up, customers and systems, with the you'll have to
>> put up with it, or go to one of the small number of highly similar
>> competitors.  So, no, market forces don't keep them in check.  We had a
>> seriously out of date analogue system for decades, poor pricing schemes
>> and features, poor complaint handling, etc.  We have the NBN broadband
>> disaster because Telstra deliberately refused to keep their network
>> updated with modern standards, because they didn't want to*have*  to
>> share it with competitors.  It was a screw everyone approach, because
>> they weren't going to be allowed to be monopoly.  Year in, year out,
>> it's been proved that all their care about is their market worth, not
>> the customers that pay them.
> 
> Time for Anti Trust laws to kick in.  Bust them up into five
> or more companies.

Guys, this is NOT a political forum. Please stop trying to compare
capitalism and communism and socialism here. It's not appropriate
subject matter for this list. Take it to a political forum somewhere
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/29/18 11:25 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 10/29/18 10:19 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/2018 09:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>> On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:
 On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users
> wrote:
>> On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
> I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the
> neck.by Bruce
> Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
> mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
> corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being
> different, for
> being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation
> but was
> still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just
> "leery". I
> don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".&
> I'd rather
> not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
> Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good
> replacement for
> Fedora?
>
> Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.
>
> EGO II
 Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
 Fedora gets spun off.
>>> Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average
>>> capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long
>>> view which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt
>>> that Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A
>>> good place to start looking for that would be Somalia.
>>
>> U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL. RHEL is
>> basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
>> a ton of benefit from Fedora.
>>
>> The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
>> unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
>> date.
> Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
> will run for years.
>
> Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux
> every six
> months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
> with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
> reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
> re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
> to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
> for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.
>
> They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
> of many modern features and bug fixes.
>
 +1
>>>
>>> Why are you using Fedora?
>>>
>>
>> ToddAndMargo:
>>
>> Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what
>> might be coming in RHEL/Centos
>>
>> Paul
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Back when I was using RHEL and Clones, I use to say "What goes
> on in Fedora, eventually winds up in RHEL."

Technically, at some point a specific Fedora BECOMES the next RHEL
(and eventually CentOS) release. IIRC, Fedora 18 got frozen and
became RHEL/CentOS 7. That's what I mean about Fedora being essentially
Beta versions of RHEL.
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Re: Bulk preparation of LiveUSBs or installed to a USB drive

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/29/18 9:40 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Thanks for your quick response.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 1:26 AM Rick Stevens  > wrote:
> 
> On 10/29/18 11:31 AM, Danishka Navin wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have to prepare hundreds of USB sticks which need to either
> papre as a
> > liveUSB or make it as a installed system (using the USB as the storage
> > when installing fedora).
> 
> You can install to a USB stick if you want. Generally, Linux running on
> any sort of a USB drive is quite slow, so keep that in mind.
> 
> 
> Yes, I know but this is to avoid misconfiguration of over 1000 servers
> across the country within a small window with less technical people in
> remote areas.

Using this method, they'd have a running system by booting the USB
stick, but it'd be very slow as everything would run off the USB stick.
Also remember that there's a limited number of write cycles you can do
to FLASH drives, which would limit the lifespan of the system.

While it might take a bit more time for you to craft, you might actually
be better off in building a USB stick that has both the installable
image and a kickstart file in it that would do a full, automated install
to their local hard drive. That's what kickstart is intended to do. Once
you have that USB stick (installable image and the kickstart file), you
can duplicate that onto multiple sticks using the image method.

> You could then clone the USB stick to other USB sticks via "dd" using
> the raw, block devices. Assuming /dev/sdb is the drive you installed to
> and /dev/sdc is the intended target:
> 
>         dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=4k,sync
> 
> You could also make an image of the stick on hard drive using dd:
> 
>         dd if=/dev/sdb of=/somefilename.img bs=4k,sync
> 
> 
> this means once installed ISO in to USB (completion of anaconda and post
> installation) create an .img ?

Once a running system is on the USB stick and is bootable, you'd create
an image (.img). I use .img to differentiate between an ISO and a
running system. An ISO image (.iso) is essentially an image of a CD or
DVD and has a specific format as to file naming limits and the like and
BIOS/UEFI firmware know how to boot an CD/DVD and a .iso file emulates
that.

Using the .img, things would run off the USB stick, with the slow I/O
and potentially limited lifespan issues I mentioned above.

If we're about the kickstart mechanism, you'd create a USB stick that
contains the ISO image of the installable system and your kickstart
file. You'd make an image of that stick, then duplicate it to multiple
sticks.

Send the sticks out, give instructions for the proper way to run the
kickstart (it's not that difficult, just some extra typing they need to
do at the boot prompt), then let the USB stick and kickstart install the
system to their local hard drive. No lifespan issues and fast disk I/O.

As I said, you'll have to craft the kickstart file yourself, but it's
not really that hard. Google "install via kickstart" and you'll see
what's involved.
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[kevin martin]

Yeah, love the way systemd names interaces nowadays...bleah!

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Regards,

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On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:58 AM linux guy  wrote:

> I found the Ethernet interface name in /sys/class/net  In my case it was
> enp3s0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:47 AM linux guy  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Does this work if the machine uses networkmanager ?   FWIW, NM isn't
>> running when at the emergency mode prompt.
>>
>> Where does one get a list of the available interfaces ?  /dev or
>> somewhere else ?
>>
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[kevin martin]

on the version of fedora you are on, "ip addr" should show your interfaces
and this, I think, would be the only way to bring up an interface with
NetworkManager down (and actually, in this day and age you should probably
use " ip address add  dev " instead of ifconfig
(so something like "ip address add 192.168.230.10/24 dev eth0") and then to
set the route "ip route add 0.0.0.0 dev eth0 via " (so
something like "ip route add 0.0.0.0 dev eth0 via 192.158.238.1" ).

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On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM linux guy  wrote:

>
> Thanks
>
> Does this work if the machine uses networkmanager ?   FWIW, NM isn't
> running when at the emergency mode prompt.
>
> Where does one get a list of the available interfaces ?  /dev or somewhere
> else ?
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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 22:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 10/30/18 9:37 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 13:41 +0100, Jiri Vanek wrote:
> > > Does anybody have a clue what to try?
> > 
> > F29 is unreleased. Try the Fedora Test list.
> 
> You can't say that any longer
> 
> https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/

OK. I didn't get the memo. Was there anything on the Announce list (or
this one)?

poc
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[linux guy]

Once I found the device name, I enabled it by using ifup enp3s0.  And it
worked.
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[linux guy]

I found the Ethernet interface name in /sys/class/net  In my case it was
enp3s0



On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:47 AM linux guy  wrote:

>
> Thanks
>
> Does this work if the machine uses networkmanager ?   FWIW, NM isn't
> running when at the emergency mode prompt.
>
> Where does one get a list of the available interfaces ?  /dev or somewhere
> else ?
>
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Re: Starting network services from emergency mode command prompt ?

[linux guy]

Thanks

Does this work if the machine uses networkmanager ?   FWIW, NM isn't
running when at the emergency mode prompt.

Where does one get a list of the available interfaces ?  /dev or somewhere
else ?
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Re: fetchmail and Fedora 29

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/30/18 10:25 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 09:07:18 -0500 Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I noticed that sudo dnf upgrade --releasever 29 --best --allowerasing
>>
>> takes out fetchmail. I depend on it and like it a lot. Is it being removed 
>> on Fedora? What are the alternatives?
> Sorry to answer my own post: it is there, I guess some dependency on hesiod 
> which is also on the chopping block is at fault. Perhaps libidn has 
> conflicts. I am not sure.
>

Like I said, just do the upgrade and sort it out as a post upgrade clean up.  
That is what
I've done in the past.


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Re: fetchmail and Fedora 29

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 22:23:12 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 10/30/18 10:07 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I noticed that sudo dnf upgrade --releasever 29 --best --allowerasing
> >
> > takes out fetchmail. I depend on it and like it a lot. Is it being removed 
> > on Fedora? What are the alternatives?
> >
> 
> It may be a "dependency" issue.
> 
> I have a pre-release yet fully updated F29 system.  And
> 
> [egreshko@acer ~]$ sudo dnf install fetchmail
> [sudo] password for egreshko:
> Last metadata expiration check: 1:55:39 ago on Tue 30 Oct 2018 08:25:18 PM 
> CST.
> Dependencies resolved.
> ===
>  Package    Arch    Version  Repository   
> Size
> ===
> Installing:
>  fetchmail  x86_64  6.3.26-22.fc29   fedora  
> 557 k
> Installing dependencies:
>  hesiod x86_64  3.2.1-13.fc29    fedora   
> 29 k
> 
> Transaction Summary
> ===
> Install  2 Packages
> 
> Total download size: 586 k
> Installed size: 2.2 M
> Is this ok [y/N]:
> 
> So, you can probably go ahead with the upgrade process and then add it back 
> in afterwards.

Thanks, I will try that.

Ranjan
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Re: fetchmail and Fedora 29

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 09:07:18 -0500 Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I noticed that sudo dnf upgrade --releasever 29 --best --allowerasing
> 
> takes out fetchmail. I depend on it and like it a lot. Is it being removed on 
> Fedora? What are the alternatives?

Sorry to answer my own post: it is there, I guess some dependency on hesiod 
which is also on the chopping block is at fault. Perhaps libidn has conflicts. 
I am not sure.

Ranjan
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Re: fetchmail and Fedora 29

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/30/18 10:07 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I noticed that sudo dnf upgrade --releasever 29 --best --allowerasing
>
> takes out fetchmail. I depend on it and like it a lot. Is it being removed on 
> Fedora? What are the alternatives?
>

It may be a "dependency" issue.

I have a pre-release yet fully updated F29 system.  And

[egreshko@acer ~]$ sudo dnf install fetchmail
[sudo] password for egreshko:
Last metadata expiration check: 1:55:39 ago on Tue 30 Oct 2018 08:25:18 PM CST.
Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package    Arch    Version  Repository   
Size
===
Installing:
 fetchmail  x86_64  6.3.26-22.fc29   fedora  
557 k
Installing dependencies:
 hesiod x86_64  3.2.1-13.fc29    fedora   
29 k

Transaction Summary
===
Install  2 Packages

Total download size: 586 k
Installed size: 2.2 M
Is this ok [y/N]:

So, you can probably go ahead with the upgrade process and then add it back in 
afterwards.


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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/30/18 10:03 PM, Jiri Vanek wrote:
> Well I doubt a bit it is a regression from f28. And I doubt unrelease-ness 
> have nothing to do with
> it - as it is, will be released in a week:)

It was released today!

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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/30/18 9:37 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 13:41 +0100, Jiri Vanek wrote:
>> Does anybody have a clue what to try?
> F29 is unreleased. Try the Fedora Test list.

You can't say that any longer

https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/

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fetchmail and Fedora 29

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I noticed that sudo dnf upgrade --releasever 29 --best --allowerasing

takes out fetchmail. I depend on it and like it a lot. Is it being removed on 
Fedora? What are the alternatives?

Many thanks,
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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Jiri Vanek]

On 10/30/18 2:37 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 13:41 +0100, Jiri Vanek wrote:
>> Does anybody have a clue what to try?
> 
> F29 is unreleased. Try the Fedora Test list.

Hi!
Thanx. Will repost.

Well I doubt a bit it is a regression from f28. And I doubt unrelease-ness have 
nothing to do with
it - as it is, will be released in a week:)

J.
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Re: no hdmi audio on older tv

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2018-10-30 at 13:41 +0100, Jiri Vanek wrote:
> Does anybody have a clue what to try?

F29 is unreleased. Try the Fedora Test list.

poc
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no hdmi audio on older tv

[Jiri Vanek]

Hello!

I have f29 (ernel kernel-4.18.12-300.fc29  ) on  machine, which is changing its 
place from time to
time - between two TVs. Old, and older:)

Both are connected by HDMI. Video output is fine, even acceleration is working, 
 but sound work only
on newer of those two.

I don't know if this is regression, because this machine replaced 32b rapbery2 
with kodi, which was
working without issues on both TVs (but was eaten by (not mine) dog)

I was following https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_sound_problems but 
had not found much:
 - with removed pulseaudio, the aplay -vv segfaults
 - I really on pulseaudio anyway, as I need to transfer sound to this 
machine over network

 - the diff of alsa-info.sh's is really minimal [1], only
[cite]
state.vc4hdmi {
control.1 {
iface PCM
name ELD
value '1700671200014c2d9d02
for non working and
value '1700671200014c2d9b03
for working
[/cite]

  - when alsamixer is opened, then the default looks like working, and the job 
on old tv; but not do
nothing older tv.
  - when alsamixer -c0 is opened, then the  vc4-hdmi reports no control for 
selected device for
*both* tvs (which is same as f6 and selecting vc4-hdmi)

Does anybody have a clue what to try?

 Thanx in advance form java world,
J.


[1]
--- /home/jvanek/Desktop/workingAudio
+++ /home/jvanek/Desktop/nonWorkingAudio
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
 STDERR:
-cat: /tmp/alsa-info.TzPwpaQcKW/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or directory
+cat: /tmp/alsa-info.GXybsmPDbN/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or directory
 cat: '/sys/module/(null)/parameters/*': No such file or directory


@@ -8,7 +8,7 @@
 !!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.64
 !!

-!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:09:06 UTC 2018
+!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:15:02 UTC 2018


 !!Linux Distribution
@@ -152,7 +152,7 @@
control.1 {
iface PCM
name ELD
-   value
'1700671200014c2d9b0353414d53554e47090707'
+   value
'1700671200014c2d9d0253414d53554e47090707'
comment {
access 'read volatile'
type BYTES


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STDERR:
cat: /tmp/alsa-info.GXybsmPDbN/acpidevicestatus.tmp: No such file or directory
cat: '/sys/module/(null)/parameters/*': No such file or directory


upload=true=true=
!!
!!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.64
!!

!!Script ran on: Mon Oct 29 14:15:02 UTC 2018


!!Linux Distribution
!!--

Fedora release 29 (Twenty Nine) NAME=Fedora ID=fedora PRETTY_NAME="Fedora 29 
(Twenty Nine)" CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:fedoraproject:fedora:29" 
HOME_URL="https://fedoraproject.org/; 
DOCUMENTATION_URL="https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f29/system-administrators-guide/;
 SUPPORT_URL="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicating_and_getting_help; 
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/; REDHAT_BUGZILLA_PRODUCT="Fedora" 
REDHAT_BUGZILLA_PRODUCT_VERSION=29 REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT="Fedora" 
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION=29 
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy; Fedora 
release 29 (Twenty Nine) Fedora release 29 (Twenty Nine)


!!DMI Information
!!---

Manufacturer:  raspberrypi
Product Name:  rpi
Product Version:   
Firmware Version:  2018.09
Board Vendor:  raspberrypi
Board Name:rpi


!!ACPI Device Status Information
!!---



!!Kernel Information
!!--

Kernel release:4.18.12-300.fc29.aarch64
Operating System:  GNU/Linux
Architecture:  aarch64
Processor: aarch64
SMP Enabled:   Yes


!!ALSA Version
!!

Driver version: k4.18.12-300.fc29.aarch64
Library version:1.1.6
Utilities version:  1.1.6


!!Loaded ALSA modules
!!---

(null)


!!Sound Servers on this system
!!

Pulseaudio:
  Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio)
  Running - Yes

Jack:
  Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/jackd)
  Running - No


!!Soundcards recognised by ALSA
!!-

 0 [vc4hdmi]: vc4-hdmi - vc4-hdmi
  raspberrypi-rpi--rpi


!!PCI Soundcards installed in the system
!!--



!!Advanced information - PCI Vendor/Device/Subsystem ID's

Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 09:57:19AM +, Frau Silvia Sánchez wrote:
>Hi Fred and all,
>Well, I understand although disagree.  If one doesn't want upgrades,
>there are other systems like Debian stable.  Besides upgrades aren't
>mandatory, as ToddandMargo said, if you don't want them simply turn
>them off.  Last but not least, why do you need to reinstall?  Upgrading
>from one version to another is as smooth as it can be.  I don't see
>reinstalling as a pain, in any average computer will take only few
>minutes, but well, it's understandable that you may not want to go
>through it.  But what reinstalling for?  Why not just upgrading the
>system?  Am I missing something?
>Kind regards,
>Silvia

Updates are necessary if you want to keep it secure. Many distros
are new annually or more often, and only keep issuing patches for
the most recent or two most recent releases.once  you go past that
point you're asking for trouble.

Not wanting to do a full upgrade annually doesn't mean I want an
insecure system.

> 
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 07:15, ToddAndMargo via users
><[1]users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 
>  On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
>  > Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux
>  every six
>  > months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for
>  years
>  > with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more
>  occasional
>  > reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling
>  and
>  > re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't
>  want
>  > to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can
>  use
>  > for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain
>  again.
>  I am somewhat perplexed at the above.  No one is
>  forcing you to update Fedora.  Just turn off your
>  updates.  I am not seeing what your complaint is.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Frau Silvia Sánchez]

Hi Fred and all,

Well, I understand although disagree.  If one doesn't want upgrades, there
are other systems like Debian stable.  Besides upgrades aren't mandatory,
as ToddandMargo said, if you don't want them simply turn them off.  Last
but not least, why do you need to reinstall?  Upgrading from one version to
another is as smooth as it can be.  I don't see reinstalling as a pain, in
any average computer will take only few minutes, but well, it's
understandable that you may not want to go through it.  But what
reinstalling for?  Why not just upgrading the system?  Am I missing
something?

Kind regards,
Silvia




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users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every six
> > months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
> > with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
> > reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
> > re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
> > to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
> > for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.
>
> I am somewhat perplexed at the above.  No one is
> forcing you to update Fedora.  Just turn off your
> updates.  I am not seeing what your complaint is.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[Frau Silvia Sánchez]

Hi ToddandMargo,

I don't want to get into a political argument, just point out to a couple
of things:
First:  Venezuela is not socialist.  Their government claimed to be, but
they weren't, they aren't and they won't be. If you want to point to a
communist government, there is North Korea  (that nobody knows if they are
or not, because it's impossible to get in)  and obviously the old USSR
(that already died).  There's Cuba but they're slowly slipping from classic
communism.  And China that is communist only in the name.
Second: Nazis and Soviets weren't the same, but you seem to put them in the
same box. Except in the mass murdering and pervasive propaganda.  But those
are general features of totalitarian governments.  Just to make it clearer,
Nazis were extreme right and Soviets were extreme left.
Third:  Communism and Socialism are not the same.


Kind regards,
Silvia


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users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 10/29/18 4:17 AM, j.halif...@seznam.cz wrote:
> > Capitalism is not a good system because of a sum of locally optimal
> > behaviors
> > doesn't need to result in an optimum. Behavior of companies oriented for
> > their
> > maximal profit causes negative devastating nature, social tensions,
> > devastating
> > democracy, even criminal overthrowing legally elected governments,
> murdering
> > "inconvenient" politicians, mass corruption of politics, journalists and
> > everybody
> > who agrees to sell their influences to public opinion, even the wars
> > initiated for
> > fabricated reasons like "spreading the good and democracy" by means of
> > shame-
> > less lies in UN or mass murders and genocide done by the terrorists
> > painted with
> > "mendacious colors" of  so called "refugees," corrupting snipers for
> > shooting the
> > demonstrating people of the both sides etc. Totally wrong !
>
> "Capitalism" is an economic vehicle, not an economic system.
> Socialists use it extensively, mainly to fund their horrible
> war machines -- the Soviets and the Nazis for instance.
>
> Socialism only works on paper and requires the barrel of gun
> to force others to produce when they do not get to see the
> fruits of their labor.  And keep in mind that Socialists
> have cost humanity over 200 million souls in the past
> decade alone.
>
> The "free free market" on the other hand, if you do not meet
> the needs of your customers, you fail.  Sure, folks can cheat,
> but they only get away with it for so long.  Under the free market,
> the only way to achieve maximum profit is keep your customers happy.
> I live it and breath it every day of my life.
>
> One of the few proper usages of government is to make sure folks
> don't cheat (monopolies, etc.).  But even without this, monopolies
> do eventually fail anyway -- it just takes longer.  Microsoft,
> who does cheat, will feel the full force of this eventually.
>
> Do not be fooled by flowery, utopian descriptions of Socialism
> in college text books.  Look around you. It has never been
> successful anywhere it has been tried.  And remember the lost
> 200 millions souls.  A good place to start looking would be
> the current situation in Venezuela.
>
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/30/18 1:36 AM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:

Heartbroken?

No improvement ever without change, (although not every change lead to 
improvement.)


Sometimes purchases/buy-outs works out fine. Like the purchase of 
StarOffice by SUN-Microsystems.


I admit, the world of Open Source does has victims, sometimes not caused 
by corporate-management but even by technicians vs community.


No, I did not mention the replacement of  init.d by bloatware…

Hans


Hi Hans,

One of the things I had to learn when I switched from RHEL and Clones
was System D.  I almost tore my hair out.  But, once you learn it,
it is a lot better than System V.  But its takes a while to get there.

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RE: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[J.Witvliet]

Heartbroken?

No improvement ever without change, (although not every change lead to 
improvement.)
Sometimes purchases/buy-outs works out fine. Like the purchase of StarOffice by 
SUN-Microsystems.
I admit, the world of Open Source does has victims, sometimes not caused by 
corporate-management but even by technicians vs community.
No, I did not mention the replacement of  init.d by bloatware…

Hans

From: Eddie O'Connor [mailto:eoconno...@gmail.com]
Sent: maandag 29 oktober 2018 16:12
To: Community support for Fedora users
Subject: Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by Bruce Lee! I 
don't presume to know the first thing about corporations, mergers, and long 
term financials, And while Red Hat was a corporation per se.I've always 
loved Fedora for being different, for being the odd distro that was backed by a 
major corporation but was still able to support itself independently. Now? 
I'm just "leery". I don't know what plans IBM has for their new found 
"toy".& I'd rather not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good replacement for 
Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II


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WAY OFF TOPIC ( Was: OT: IBM to buy RedHat)

[jarmo]

Everybody know now, that IBM is about buy RedHat.
So, let's see what happens. Just leave this cap vs sos
discussion to political forums, right?

Jarmo
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/29/18 10:30 PM, Tim via users wrote:

We have a prime example in this country of Telstra (a phone company).
They bugger everyone up, customers and systems, with the you'll have to
put up with it, or go to one of the small number of highly similar
competitors.  So, no, market forces don't keep them in check.  We had a
seriously out of date analogue system for decades, poor pricing schemes
and features, poor complaint handling, etc.  We have the NBN broadband
disaster because Telstra deliberately refused to keep their network
updated with modern standards, because they didn't want to*have*  to
share it with competitors.  It was a screw everyone approach, because
they weren't going to be allowed to be monopoly.  Year in, year out,
it's been proved that all their care about is their market worth, not
the customers that pay them.


Time for Anti Trust laws to kick in.  Bust them up into five
or more companies.
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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/29/18 10:19 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 10/29/2018 09:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 8:31 PM, Richard England wrote:

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/29/18 11:41 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:32 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:



On 10/29/18 8:12 AM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
I feel as though I've been kicked in the back of the neck.by 
Bruce

Lee! I don't presume to know the first thing about corporations,
mergers, and long term financials, And while Red Hat was a
corporation per se.I've always loved Fedora for being 
different, for
being the odd distro that was backed by a major corporation 
but was
still able to support itself independently. Now? I'm just 
"leery". I
don't know what plans IBM has for their new found "toy".& 
I'd rather

not be surprised as others have said. So the question is:
Are there any .rpm-based distros that would make a good 
replacement for

Fedora?

Heartbroken in the world of Open Source.

EGO II

Wonderfully stated.  The announcement took my breath away.  I hope
Fedora gets spun off.
Unlike the IBM of today, Redhat was not really your average 
capitalist enterprise so they supported Fedora. They had a long 
view which is not permitted by markets.In any case, I doubt 
that Fedora or OSS is an example of any kind of capitalism. A good 
place to start looking for that would be Somalia.


U.  Red Hat uses Fedora as a testing ground for RHEL. RHEL is
basically a defunct, bug frozen version of Fedora.  Red Hat gets
a ton of benefit from Fedora.

The big question is how will IBM look at it.  RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.

Don't know why you think RHEL is  bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every 
six

months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.

They may use what appears to be an old kernel, but RH does backports
of many modern features and bug fixes.


+1


Why are you using Fedora?



ToddAndMargo:

Using/watching what Fedora is doing is a good way to prepare for what 
might be coming in RHEL/Centos


Paul


Hi Paul,

Back when I was using RHEL and Clones, I use to say "What goes
on in Fedora, eventually winds up in RHEL."

:-)

-T

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Re: OT: IBM to buy RedHat

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

Some of us (many businesses) don't want a new version of Linux every six
months, they want systems that will be stable and will run for years
with nothing more than the occasional yum update and more occasional
reboot. People with many computers can't spend time reinstalling and
re-configuring all of them once or twice every year. And I don't want
to do that with my  home systems either. I want something I can use
for 2 or 3 years, at least, before enduring the reinstall pain again.


I am somewhat perplexed at the above.  No one is
forcing you to update Fedora.  Just turn off your
updates.  I am not seeing what your complaint is.
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