Your response is as stuffy and psuedo academic as I expected it to be. Thanks for the'history lesson' of a movement and scene that I have been a participant in for the last 32 years or so....
Oddly enough, you should know that the 313 list not only has members who understand the history of the music-but also has members who are living and breathing testament to the power of that work. It's hard for me to not be offended in some way.... but I also understand that my condescension is being met with a 'thorough explanation' of your point. WE ARE IN THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW. NONE of the messages put forth in the music have been listened to by the masses... sadly UR only got a few of us to 'not allow ourselves to be programmed.' Since it's Xmas day today and I am going to celebrate with my family, I'm going to ask you this question (I don't even want to see your answer, just ponder when you can): Is peace, harmony and joy achievable? Consider that your reply to Demise set off a contentious discussion with each of us refusing to back down from their perch, that idea of peace through intelligence seems shaky. Have a great holiday. On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 5:13 AM David A. Powers <[email protected]> wrote: > First off, I didn't come up with the idea that techno has something to do > with the future, Juan Atkins and then UR came up with these ideas, which > means they have ALWAYS been part of techno. According to the UR manifesto > "Techno > is a music based in experimentation; it is music for the future of the > human race." -- Underground Resistance did. See > http://www.undergroundresistance.com/ > > Underground Resistance is a label for a movement. A movement that wants >> change by sonic revolution. We urge you to join the resistance and *help >> us combat the mediocre audio and visual programming that is being fed to >> the inhabitants of Earth, this programming is stagnating the minds of the >> people*; building a wall between races and preventing world peace. It is >> this wall we are going to smash. By using the untapped energy potential of >> sound we are going to destroy this wall much the same as certain >> frequencies shatter glass. *Techno is a music based in experimentation; >> it is music for the future of the human race.* Without this music there >> will be no peace, no love, no vision. By simply communicating through >> sound, techno has brought people of all different nationalities together >> under one roof to enjoy themselves. Isn‘t it obvious that music and dance >> are the keys to the universe? So called primitive animals and tribal humans >> have known this for thousands of years! We urge all brothers and sisters of >> the underground to create and transmit their tones and frequencies no >> matter how so called primitive their equipment may be. Transmit these tones >> and wreak havoc on the programmers!” > > > Second, raves were often not great--drug overdoses, sexual assault, cops > beating the shit out of people, promoters narking on each other shutting > down each others' parties, promoters throwing parties mostly to sell drugs. > I'm not discounting the positive aspects to say that the rave scene had a > terrible dark side, which is part of why they were able to shut it down as > the US morphed into a full police state following 9/11. (Btw, keep in mind > that Joe Biden was a big supporter of using crackhouse laws to shut down > raves.) > > Third, I understand dance music and having fun. I just DJed for six hours > at a work xmas party. I know how to make people dance. > > But this is NOT a "RAVE DANCE MUSIC" list, it's a DETROIT TECHNO list, and > one of the things that sets Detroit techno apart is that it includes > ambient music and other sounds that are not meant for dancing, a typical > example is Robert Hood "The Exodus". Somehow the idea of "Detroit techno" > as something different and special seems to be lost. Maybe you don't like > my idea of Detroit Techno--I challenge you to come up with your own vision! > > Nobody is preventing anyone from enjoying nostalgic house, but I'd like to > talk about MUSIC BASED IN EXPERIMENTATION, music that could help us create > a better FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE. > > The human race might go extinct. If techno could help create the hope and > vision to work for a better world, than that would be better than dancing > until the world ends. Does everyone just believe shit is so hopeless that > there is no choice but to get as fucked up as possibility and blast that > rave music as the planet slowly poisons itself and commits suicide. > > Why has everyone given up on the possibility that art--including "Detroit > techno"--could help inspire us to create a better world? Were the > innovators who created techno WRONG?! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvKUWb5H5BI > > ~David > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:54 AM Kevin Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Denise: First of all, thanks for sharing work you think is >> noteworthy...going to have to give it a listen when I can. >> >> David: Last I checked, we're still in virtually the same spot that we >> were in the dawn of techno...as the saying goes "the names and faces have >> changed, but the game is still the same." However, one of the fine things >> missing from many human beings doing the writing, listening and performing >> of this music that somehow unifies us all on a giant Venn Diagram >> is...ENJOYMENT. >> >> As much as I wish to give the entire group of under-30 somethings a >> 'history lesson' and shake my fist about how things used to be (a la "they >> didn't even let us play in nightclubs!!! We had to play in warehouses and >> inhale asbestos!!! AND WE LIKED IT!!!"), the prevailing winds dictate that >> this revolutionary music that we were on the ground floor for now has a >> history. We're part of that, and as Shake Shakir put it bluntly: "Those >> who know, know. Those who don't, don't care." >> >> With all the problems in the world today, some people are just looking >> for an escape, and a way to remind themselves of times where they had FUN >> (anyone remember FUN? I do...vaguely). Honestly-I wish I could escape from >> this crazy place... >> >> It troubles me to think that many of us have truly lost sight of the >> enjoyment and the freedom that comes from dancing. Of course, politics has >> its place in everything...strip it away for moments at a time and learn to >> enjoy right now. >> >> We ARE the future we planned. We didn't plan as well as we should have. >> >> Happy holidays to everyone, >> >> FBK >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 2:08 AM DJ Shiva <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I surely love anyone who wants to dictate what techno should or >>> shouldn't be. I guess we all forgot our dour faces and dire music poses. >>> **fart noise** >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 12:28 AM David A. Powers <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Techno should aim for a utopian future not wallow in nostalgia for a >>>> moment in time characterized by late capitalist exploitation and extreme >>>> global inequality. >>>> >>>> ~d >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:20 AM Denise Dalphond < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone else been listening to HAAi? Her latest ep from November is >>>>> amazingness. Every song. I would dance to it. It makes me feel like I’m at >>>>> a rave in the late nineties in Chicago or New York. >>>>> >>>>> Denise Dalphond >>>>> -- >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>>> ethnomusicologist >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> FBK >> >> Absoloop/Orange 82 >> >
