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On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 8:09 AM Kevin Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: > Your response is as stuffy and psuedo academic as I expected it to be. > > Thanks for the'history lesson' of a movement and scene that I have been a > participant in for the last 32 years or so.... > > Oddly enough, you should know that the 313 list not only has members who > understand the history of the music-but also has members who are living and > breathing testament to the power of that work. > > It's hard for me to not be offended in some way.... but I also understand > that my condescension is being met with a 'thorough explanation' of your > point. > > WE ARE IN THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW. > > NONE of the messages put forth in the music have been listened to by the > masses... sadly UR only got a few of us to 'not allow ourselves to be > programmed.' > > Since it's Xmas day today and I am going to celebrate with my family, I'm > going to ask you this question (I don't even want to see your answer, just > ponder when you can): > > Is peace, harmony and joy achievable? > > Consider that your reply to Demise set off a contentious discussion with > each of us refusing to back down from their perch, that idea of peace > through intelligence seems shaky. > > Have a great holiday. > > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 5:13 AM David A. Powers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> First off, I didn't come up with the idea that techno has something to do >> with the future, Juan Atkins and then UR came up with these ideas, which >> means they have ALWAYS been part of techno. According to the UR manifesto >> "Techno >> is a music based in experimentation; it is music for the future of the >> human race." -- Underground Resistance did. See >> http://www.undergroundresistance.com/ >> >> Underground Resistance is a label for a movement. A movement that wants >>> change by sonic revolution. We urge you to join the resistance and *help >>> us combat the mediocre audio and visual programming that is being fed to >>> the inhabitants of Earth, this programming is stagnating the minds of the >>> people*; building a wall between races and preventing world peace. It >>> is this wall we are going to smash. By using the untapped energy potential >>> of sound we are going to destroy this wall much the same as certain >>> frequencies shatter glass. *Techno is a music based in experimentation; >>> it is music for the future of the human race.* Without this music there >>> will be no peace, no love, no vision. By simply communicating through >>> sound, techno has brought people of all different nationalities together >>> under one roof to enjoy themselves. Isn‘t it obvious that music and dance >>> are the keys to the universe? So called primitive animals and tribal humans >>> have known this for thousands of years! We urge all brothers and sisters of >>> the underground to create and transmit their tones and frequencies no >>> matter how so called primitive their equipment may be. Transmit these tones >>> and wreak havoc on the programmers!” >> >> >> Second, raves were often not great--drug overdoses, sexual assault, cops >> beating the shit out of people, promoters narking on each other shutting >> down each others' parties, promoters throwing parties mostly to sell drugs. >> I'm not discounting the positive aspects to say that the rave scene had a >> terrible dark side, which is part of why they were able to shut it down as >> the US morphed into a full police state following 9/11. (Btw, keep in mind >> that Joe Biden was a big supporter of using crackhouse laws to shut down >> raves.) >> >> Third, I understand dance music and having fun. I just DJed for six >> hours at a work xmas party. I know how to make people dance. >> >> But this is NOT a "RAVE DANCE MUSIC" list, it's a DETROIT TECHNO list, >> and one of the things that sets Detroit techno apart is that it includes >> ambient music and other sounds that are not meant for dancing, a typical >> example is Robert Hood "The Exodus". Somehow the idea of "Detroit >> techno" as something different and special seems to be lost. Maybe you >> don't like my idea of Detroit Techno--I challenge you to come up with your >> own vision! >> >> Nobody is preventing anyone from enjoying nostalgic house, but I'd like >> to talk about MUSIC BASED IN EXPERIMENTATION, music that could help us >> create a better FUTURE OF THE HUMAN RACE. >> >> The human race might go extinct. If techno could help create the hope and >> vision to work for a better world, than that would be better than dancing >> until the world ends. Does everyone just believe shit is so hopeless that >> there is no choice but to get as fucked up as possibility and blast that >> rave music as the planet slowly poisons itself and commits suicide. >> >> Why has everyone given up on the possibility that art--including "Detroit >> techno"--could help inspire us to create a better world? Were the >> innovators who created techno WRONG?! >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvKUWb5H5BI >> >> ~David >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:54 AM Kevin Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Denise: First of all, thanks for sharing work you think is >>> noteworthy...going to have to give it a listen when I can. >>> >>> David: Last I checked, we're still in virtually the same spot that we >>> were in the dawn of techno...as the saying goes "the names and faces have >>> changed, but the game is still the same." However, one of the fine things >>> missing from many human beings doing the writing, listening and performing >>> of this music that somehow unifies us all on a giant Venn Diagram >>> is...ENJOYMENT. >>> >>> As much as I wish to give the entire group of under-30 somethings a >>> 'history lesson' and shake my fist about how things used to be (a la "they >>> didn't even let us play in nightclubs!!! We had to play in warehouses and >>> inhale asbestos!!! AND WE LIKED IT!!!"), the prevailing winds dictate that >>> this revolutionary music that we were on the ground floor for now has a >>> history. We're part of that, and as Shake Shakir put it bluntly: "Those >>> who know, know. Those who don't, don't care." >>> >>> With all the problems in the world today, some people are just looking >>> for an escape, and a way to remind themselves of times where they had FUN >>> (anyone remember FUN? I do...vaguely). Honestly-I wish I could escape from >>> this crazy place... >>> >>> It troubles me to think that many of us have truly lost sight of the >>> enjoyment and the freedom that comes from dancing. Of course, politics has >>> its place in everything...strip it away for moments at a time and learn to >>> enjoy right now. >>> >>> We ARE the future we planned. We didn't plan as well as we should have. >>> >>> Happy holidays to everyone, >>> >>> FBK >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 2:08 AM DJ Shiva <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I surely love anyone who wants to dictate what techno should or >>>> shouldn't be. I guess we all forgot our dour faces and dire music poses. >>>> **fart noise** >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 12:28 AM David A. Powers <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Techno should aim for a utopian future not wallow in nostalgia for a >>>>> moment in time characterized by late capitalist exploitation and extreme >>>>> global inequality. >>>>> >>>>> ~d >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:20 AM Denise Dalphond < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone else been listening to HAAi? Her latest ep from November >>>>>> is amazingness. Every song. I would dance to it. It makes me feel like >>>>>> I’m >>>>>> at a rave in the late nineties in Chicago or New York. >>>>>> >>>>>> Denise Dalphond >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>>>> ethnomusicologist >>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> FBK >>> >>> Absoloop/Orange 82 >>> >>
