Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[lisa]

It's yet another "last ditch effort" because they were unsuccessful in 
sueing many p2p companies whose software is used for legitimate purposes 
(of course, in addition to music sharing). Napster, et al were easy (in 
comparison) to tackle because of how they were constructed and used. the 
current crop of  p2p, not so easy plus they keep changing. so they came 
after the people, flexing their legal muscles whilst creeping people out 
at the thought that the government and/or RIAA can find out what you've 
been doing in the privacy of your home. privacy advocates have had lots 
to say about this (some of them in powerful positions) and although the 
US government could really give a f-ck ('cos they are quite interested 
in restricting our privacy), there are positive things happening in some 
courts choosing to not side with the RIAA. Let's hope it continues.

Until the system is balanced for all participants - in terms agreeable 
to each (artists, consumers/users, prod/dist companies, etc.) - it will 
not work and someone will be unhappy. So change must happen.

Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs & vinyl from 
a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty 
ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I 
checked out a few vinyl & CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be 
really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US 
currency.  :P

On this general topic, ya'll might enjoy this:

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

lisa


Martin wrote:
This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to
the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus
that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the
law I think...

And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps
Mick Hucknall off the streets...

md



11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff
stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the
people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of
people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in
the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also.

I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have
already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and
everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision
themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the
lawsuits? 

Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS & WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



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$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?

that's $2 per song!!!

Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD
from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position?

I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom
seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone
see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?

I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing
(business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the "game plan", honest!).


MEK




                   "jurren baars"

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the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3399602

some people are fighting back:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658&afl=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
for those names.

i'm not sure what to think of all this.

first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.

the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a
shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day
out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person

that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old.

third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand
songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in
court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls
filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER
pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there
is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and
filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even
ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy.

jurren

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