On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Renegade808 wrote:
brother, i haven't even begun to attack you. > once again josh you never seem to disapoint....you can have your opinions > all you want who cares so can everyone else but this is how mani chooses > to conduct his agency and he has the support of alot of people (maybe not > on this list). i think its funny you choose to attack me but if thats how > you do things then i dont care..... i was asked by mani to post the email > to begin with so thats that.... You're right, I wasn't there. But if Mike told Mani he was doing the right thing than he should just say that (although I don't name drop personal contacts to try to justify my actions) > > As for > > Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > > get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > > would twist that into his own tirade. > > > nothing was twisted you were not there when that conversation took place. > your the one assuming you know what mike said and if you care about it so > much you go ask mike what he thinks of the surgeon or adam and i am sure > he would be glad to tell you good or bad.... it's self important and obnoxious, any way you cut it. > > to attack mani personally is just stupid...because someone tries to change > the way they do business and with who they do business with.....improving > the techno scene in america was not a realization mani came to in his home > land, it is just one of the many realizations he has had > recently....whats wrong with that??? only you're allowd to start with opinions, dissing people who i consider vital talent in techno? I didn't say anything bad about Murat, why would you talk so much trash about Beyer or Surgeon in response? I actually like Murat a lot as a person, and see him around somewhat frequently, althouh i'll admit that somehow i've never heard him DJ even though he played at my former club several times. You started with some blatent;y negative comments and i responded with saying something positive. don' get it twisted. > > and as for you comments and opinions about surgeon and adam beyer being > better than anyone on his roster...well thats your opinion and its really > not about who's roster is better than the other.....but i think you dont > understand some things....... and i dont care who you think you are and > who you think you know... some of us were around in the techno scene long > before you arrived and don't need you to tell us which way is up....and > let me get this straight in MY OPINION Murat will crush Adam Beyer, > Surgeon and many other ego maniac's from over the pond in straight up dj > skills and production... ah, here we go. Now I'm some new schooler who works for the hype machine just because everyone now knows how i make my living. i will stand 100% behind any of the artists i feature in urb (the fact that we ALSO cover stuff outside this genre is another topic not on the table). Are you saying that Kompakt, Hawtin, Ellen Alien, Kittin, Vladislav Delay, DJ Rupture, etc, etc are wack? And since my profession is on the table, what do you do for a livin you douchebag? I'll bet it's something real important. >.but i forgot you work for Urb so it is your job > to HYPE up all of these overpaid and rude european artists.....(this does > not include all Europeans...i think most people get an idea who i am > talking about).... > > > > michael > > > > > >> > >> Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that > >> Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from > >> Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, > >> and > >> what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he > >> chose > >> to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american > >> artists > >> can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come > >> here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business > >> class > >> airfare....it has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of > >> it > >> and taking a stand. > > > > Mike, i don't know what year you live in, but i can guarantee you that > > neither Beyer or Surgeon are making $5000 (maybe at the biggest rave at > > the height of the big raves- but everyone was making money then). Besides- > > Adam can certainly hold his own, if not out DJ, everyone on Mani's roster > > and Surgeon? Forget it! When it comes to skill DJing/production/ > > experimentation, no one on Mani's roster (or few in the world) can touch > > Surgeon. Maybe you're just using those two as arbitrary examples, but > > think before you speak please. > > > > > >> > >> Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from > >> going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and > >> coming > >> to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this > >> year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was > >> very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying..... > > > > It sounds like the only realization he had was that his own sh*t's not > > moving fast enough for his liking, so hes railing against those who have > > much in deferrence to those who have not quite as much. If the only thing > > you can get from a trip to one of the most humanitarily challenged > > countries in the world is that your American techno scene isn't up to par, > > then you have to seriously re-evaluate the center of your universe. As for > > Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > > get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > > would twist that into his own tirade. > > > >> with the exeption of the ones who have > >> always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the > >> Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. > > \ > > > > Not diss to Cisco, he has worked America hard for at least as long as i've > > been in this music. But Rachmad never even played in America until DEMF > > 2002, and with the exception of Mani's events, I don't believe he's played > > America much at all. they're just his boys (and his money makers, at least > > in the case of Advent) and it is supreme hypocricy. > > > >> > >> it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take > >> late > >> than never anyday..... > >> > >> > >> > >> michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
