i see your point fred, although i've accepted bad music as a fact of american life.
boston is the same in LA, and also what i've seen in big clubs in SF, NYC and DC, that a major portion of the crowd is foreign anyways. they're just doing in the us what they grew up doing in europe, where djs are pop stars. then again- the girls tend to be better looking, so it's a trade. On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, FRED giannelli wrote: > guys, guys, guys.... stop the madness. > > We all know who the only common enemy is in the USA. It's the UK crap > trance dj's that have bled the USA dry. And why ? Because the sheep in the > USA consume that crap. In Boston it's the Euro students that seem richer > than any of the natives that have the horrendous taste in that rubbish. > Either way, it's rubbish and no amount of exposure to something with a > little more substance will convert people with bad taste. > > None of the artists that either of you have mentioned have even come close > in the earnings that a terrible UK trance DJ can rape from USA promoters. > Why fight over the crumbs when you should be blowing up the bakery ? > > Unfortunately, many in the USA must come to the point where we reach a > horrible realization. The lunatics are in control of the asylum. The USA > is a lost cause and if you can afford it you move to Berlin. And if you > can't, you suffer. > > I don't know if many of you remember the kooky letter I sent to XLR8R years > ago where I poked fun @ Oakenfold. > > Well, after that got published, for at least 2 years kids would still come > up to me saying thanks for writing what I did and congratulating me like I > was some American folk hero for expressing what I felt. UK people were > amazed that a magazine would publish my unkind words knowing that no UK > magazine could afford to publish something so harsh and alienate their > advertising clients in the manner XLR8R did. > > A little while after that I was introduced to a girl in a club who worked @ > XLR8R. I forget her name, but I was going through some crap Boston club and > Christopher Lawrence was playing in it and I was hearing the same kind of > crap that I criticized in my letter. Turns out this girl was Australian and > Christopher Lawrence's wife. So I mentioned my letter and she came at it > from a completely different angle. She felt that UK trance dj's were making > all the $ while the USA trance dj's with just as much skill were being > deprived of making a living and success in the USA. > > So I guess my letter to XLR8R went completely over her head as she thanked > me and interpreted what I was saying by my letter as backing up her point of > view. > > I'm not sure if any of you are getting my point, so here it is. The only > guy worth attacking is the guy with the $$$$. > > As I sit in my tiny, cluttered, sh*tty apt. in Salem, MA while UK trance > plonkers live comfortably from the earnings that their bad taste and lack of > creativity rewarded them with. I certainly don't resent any of the artists > that either of you have mentioned in your messages. > > So have a good weekend and try a little terrorist activity against your > local peddler of bad electronic music and those that consume it. > > telepathic regards, > the kooky scientist > > > > on 10/1/04 8:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Renegade808 wrote: > > > > > > brother, i haven't even begun to attack you. > > > >> once again josh you never seem to disapoint....you can have your opinions > >> all you want who cares so can everyone else but this is how mani chooses > >> to conduct his agency and he has the support of alot of people (maybe not > >> on this list). i think its funny you choose to attack me but if thats how > >> you do things then i dont care..... i was asked by mani to post the email > >> to begin with so thats that.... > > > > > > > > You're right, I wasn't there. But if Mike told Mani he was doing the right > > thing than he should just say that (although I don't name drop personal > > contacts to try to justify my actions) > > > >> > >> As for > >>> Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > >>> get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > >>> would twist that into his own tirade. > >> > >> > >> nothing was twisted you were not there when that conversation took place. > >> your the one assuming you know what mike said and if you care about it so > >> much you go ask mike what he thinks of the surgeon or adam and i am sure > >> he would be glad to tell you good or bad.... > > > > > > it's self important and obnoxious, any way you cut it. > > > >> > >> to attack mani personally is just stupid...because someone tries to change > >> the way they do business and with who they do business with.....improving > >> the techno scene in america was not a realization mani came to in his home > >> land, it is just one of the many realizations he has had > >> recently....whats wrong with that??? > > > > only you're allowd to start with opinions, dissing people who i consider > > vital talent in techno? I didn't say anything bad about Murat, why would > > you talk so much trash about Beyer or Surgeon in response? I actually like > > Murat a lot as a > > person, and see him around somewhat frequently, althouh i'll admit that > > somehow i've never heard him DJ even though he played at my former club > > several times. > > > > You started with some blatent;y negative comments and i responded with > > saying something positive. don' get it twisted. > > > >> > >> and as for you comments and opinions about surgeon and adam beyer being > >> better than anyone on his roster...well thats your opinion and its really > >> not about who's roster is better than the other.....but i think you dont > >> understand some things....... and i dont care who you think you are and > >> who you think you know... some of us were around in the techno scene long > >> before you arrived and don't need you to tell us which way is up....and > >> let me get this straight in MY OPINION Murat will crush Adam Beyer, > >> Surgeon and many other ego maniac's from over the pond in straight up dj > >> skills and production... > > > > ah, here we go. Now I'm some new schooler who works for the hype machine > > just because everyone now knows how i make my living. i will stand 100% > > behind > > any of the artists i feature in urb (the fact that we ALSO cover stuff > > outside this genre is another topic not on the table). Are you saying that > > Kompakt, Hawtin, Ellen Alien, Kittin, Vladislav Delay, DJ Rupture, etc, > > etc are wack? > > > > And since my profession is on the table, what do you do for a livin you > > douchebag? I'll bet it's something real important. > > > >> .but i forgot you work for Urb so it is your job > >> to HYPE up all of these overpaid and rude european artists.....(this does > >> not include all Europeans...i think most people get an idea who i am > >> talking about).... > >> > >> > >> > >> michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>> Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that > >>>> Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists from > >>>> Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in Chicago, > >>>> and > >>>> what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he > >>>> chose > >>>> to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american > >>>> artists > >>>> can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer, Surgeon come > >>>> here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus business > >>>> class > >>>> airfare....it has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is tired of > >>>> it > >>>> and taking a stand. > >>> > >>> Mike, i don't know what year you live in, but i can guarantee you that > >>> neither Beyer or Surgeon are making $5000 (maybe at the biggest rave at > >>> the height of the big raves- but everyone was making money then). Besides- > >>> Adam can certainly hold his own, if not out DJ, everyone on Mani's roster > >>> and Surgeon? Forget it! When it comes to skill DJing/production/ > >>> experimentation, no one on Mani's roster (or few in the world) can touch > >>> Surgeon. Maybe you're just using those two as arbitrary examples, but > >>> think before you speak please. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year, from > >>>> going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and > >>>> coming > >>>> to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike this > >>>> year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think he was > >>>> very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying..... > >>> > >>> It sounds like the only realization he had was that his own sh*t's not > >>> moving fast enough for his liking, so hes railing against those who have > >>> much in deferrence to those who have not quite as much. If the only thing > >>> you can get from a trip to one of the most humanitarily challenged > >>> countries in the world is that your American techno scene isn't up to par, > >>> then you have to seriously re-evaluate the center of your universe. As for > >>> Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside DJs who > >>> get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that someone > >>> would twist that into his own tirade. > >>> > >>>> with the exeption of the ones who have > >>>> always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco from the > >>>> Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac. > >>> \ > >>> > >>> Not diss to Cisco, he has worked America hard for at least as long as i've > >>> been in this music. But Rachmad never even played in America until DEMF > >>> 2002, and with the exception of Mani's events, I don't believe he's played > >>> America much at all. they're just his boys (and his money makers, at least > >>> in the case of Advent) and it is supreme hypocricy. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd take > >>>> late > >>>> than never anyday..... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> michael > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >
