Hey- most of those Trance guys are Dutch- ask KJ!! :)
Jason
On 2 Oct 2004, at 02:14, FRED giannelli wrote:
guys, guys, guys.... stop the madness.
We all know who the only common enemy is in the USA. It's the UK crap
trance dj's that have bled the USA dry. And why ? Because the sheep
in the
USA consume that crap. In Boston it's the Euro students that seem
richer
than any of the natives that have the horrendous taste in that rubbish.
Either way, it's rubbish and no amount of exposure to something with a
little more substance will convert people with bad taste.
None of the artists that either of you have mentioned have even come
close
in the earnings that a terrible UK trance DJ can rape from USA
promoters.
Why fight over the crumbs when you should be blowing up the bakery ?
Unfortunately, many in the USA must come to the point where we reach a
horrible realization. The lunatics are in control of the asylum. The
USA
is a lost cause and if you can afford it you move to Berlin. And if
you
can't, you suffer.
I don't know if many of you remember the kooky letter I sent to XLR8R
years
ago where I poked fun @ Oakenfold.
Well, after that got published, for at least 2 years kids would still
come
up to me saying thanks for writing what I did and congratulating me
like I
was some American folk hero for expressing what I felt. UK people were
amazed that a magazine would publish my unkind words knowing that no UK
magazine could afford to publish something so harsh and alienate their
advertising clients in the manner XLR8R did.
A little while after that I was introduced to a girl in a club who
worked @
XLR8R. I forget her name, but I was going through some crap Boston
club and
Christopher Lawrence was playing in it and I was hearing the same kind
of
crap that I criticized in my letter. Turns out this girl was
Australian and
Christopher Lawrence's wife. So I mentioned my letter and she came at
it
from a completely different angle. She felt that UK trance dj's were
making
all the $ while the USA trance dj's with just as much skill were being
deprived of making a living and success in the USA.
So I guess my letter to XLR8R went completely over her head as she
thanked
me and interpreted what I was saying by my letter as backing up her
point of
view.
I'm not sure if any of you are getting my point, so here it is. The
only
guy worth attacking is the guy with the $$$$.
As I sit in my tiny, cluttered, sh*tty apt. in Salem, MA while UK
trance
plonkers live comfortably from the earnings that their bad taste and
lack of
creativity rewarded them with. I certainly don't resent any of the
artists
that either of you have mentioned in your messages.
So have a good weekend and try a little terrorist activity against your
local peddler of bad electronic music and those that consume it.
telepathic regards,
the kooky scientist
on 10/1/04 8:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Renegade808 wrote:
brother, i haven't even begun to attack you.
once again josh you never seem to disapoint....you can have your
opinions
all you want who cares so can everyone else but this is how mani
chooses
to conduct his agency and he has the support of alot of people
(maybe not
on this list). i think its funny you choose to attack me but if
thats how
you do things then i dont care..... i was asked by mani to post the
email
to begin with so thats that....
You're right, I wasn't there. But if Mike told Mani he was doing the
right
thing than he should just say that (although I don't name drop
personal
contacts to try to justify my actions)
As for
Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside
DJs who
get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that
someone
would twist that into his own tirade.
nothing was twisted you were not there when that conversation took
place.
your the one assuming you know what mike said and if you care about
it so
much you go ask mike what he thinks of the surgeon or adam and i am
sure
he would be glad to tell you good or bad....
it's self important and obnoxious, any way you cut it.
to attack mani personally is just stupid...because someone tries to
change
the way they do business and with who they do business
with.....improving
the techno scene in america was not a realization mani came to in
his home
land, it is just one of the many realizations he has had
recently....whats wrong with that???
only you're allowd to start with opinions, dissing people who i
consider
vital talent in techno? I didn't say anything bad about Murat, why
would
you talk so much trash about Beyer or Surgeon in response? I actually
like
Murat a lot as a
person, and see him around somewhat frequently, althouh i'll admit
that
somehow i've never heard him DJ even though he played at my former
club
several times.
You started with some blatent;y negative comments and i responded with
saying something positive. don' get it twisted.
and as for you comments and opinions about surgeon and adam beyer
being
better than anyone on his roster...well thats your opinion and its
really
not about who's roster is better than the other.....but i think you
dont
understand some things....... and i dont care who you think you are
and
who you think you know... some of us were around in the techno scene
long
before you arrived and don't need you to tell us which way is
up....and
let me get this straight in MY OPINION Murat will crush Adam Beyer,
Surgeon and many other ego maniac's from over the pond in straight
up dj
skills and production...
ah, here we go. Now I'm some new schooler who works for the hype
machine
just because everyone now knows how i make my living. i will stand
100% behind
any of the artists i feature in urb (the fact that we ALSO cover stuff
outside this genre is another topic not on the table). Are you saying
that
Kompakt, Hawtin, Ellen Alien, Kittin, Vladislav Delay, DJ Rupture,
etc,
etc are wack?
And since my profession is on the table, what do you do for a livin
you
douchebag? I'll bet it's something real important.
.but i forgot you work for Urb so it is your job
to HYPE up all of these overpaid and rude european
artists.....(this does
not include all Europeans...i think most people get an idea who i am
talking about)....
michael
Basically what mani was expressing in his email to the list is that
Obs/Ear management has represented a good amount of techno artists
from
Europe in past years as well as thrown a bunch of parties in
Chicago,
and
what he is saying is that he has made a mistake in the artist's he
chose
to represent and that he feel's it his fault that certain american
artists
can only make like 2-300 bucks in Chicago while Adam Beyer,
Surgeon come
here to America and get paid 5000 bucks plus a 5 star plus
business
class
airfare....it has just become ridiculous, and i think mani is
tired of
it
and taking a stand.
Mike, i don't know what year you live in, but i can guarantee you
that
neither Beyer or Surgeon are making $5000 (maybe at the biggest
rave at
the height of the big raves- but everyone was making money then).
Besides-
Adam can certainly hold his own, if not out DJ, everyone on Mani's
roster
and Surgeon? Forget it! When it comes to skill DJing/production/
experimentation, no one on Mani's roster (or few in the world) can
touch
Surgeon. Maybe you're just using those two as arbitrary examples,
but
think before you speak please.
Along with alot of other things mani has gone through this year,
from
going back to his homeland in which he has not been in 19 years and
coming
to some realizations. As well as meeting and talking with mad mike
this
year and sharing opinions on the global techno scene and i think
he was
very inspired with alot of what mad mike was saying.....
It sounds like the only realization he had was that his own sh*t's
not
moving fast enough for his liking, so hes railing against those who
have
much in deferrence to those who have not quite as much. If the only
thing
you can get from a trip to one of the most humanitarily challenged
countries in the world is that your American techno scene isn't up
to par,
then you have to seriously re-evaluate the center of your universe.
As for
Mike, I don't think he's above making a wise crack about outside
DJs who
get paid more than his American peeps, but it's unfortunate that
someone
would twist that into his own tirade.
with the exeption of the ones who have
always supported the American scene which in this case is Cisco
from the
Advent and Steve Rachmad aka Sterac.
\
Not diss to Cisco, he has worked America hard for at least as long
as i've
been in this music. But Rachmad never even played in America until
DEMF
2002, and with the exception of Mani's events, I don't believe he's
played
America much at all. they're just his boys (and his money makers,
at least
in the case of Advent) and it is supreme hypocricy.
it all may seem a little late for dicovering all of this but i'd
take
late
than never anyday.....
michael
