Great post Toby!  Bang on.

2008/5/2 Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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>  If Hawtin had gone down the route of someone like Carl Cox or Paul van Dyk, 
> then I would say that the vitriol directed at him would be worthwhile. The 
> fact is that whilst his DJ sets are pretty dull, they're still, to someone 
> who doesn't know the music at all, rather unusual and weird. To the trained 
> ear of the 313 list members and others, yes, it's all a bit directionless, 
> but it's still abstract. The fact that he can pack out big festivals and 
> clubs is interesting - and ultimately I feel that there's still enough credit 
> being paid, by proxy, to those who made this music at the same time. People 
> getting into Hawtin will see his discography (that goes back a long way) and 
> explore from there.
>
>  It's easy to dismiss the whole minimal scene because it's laced with the 
> unfortunate fashionista tag, but ultimately that's where the kinetic energy 
> of dance music is right now. And those who are really interested in the music 
> and its history will get into what inspired it. Basic Channel are utterly 
> revered now, and you see Hood now getting the credit he deserves.
>
>  It takes time.
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: 02 May 2008 11:23
>  To: 313 Mailing List
>  Subject: Re: (313) Easiest way to start a (313) argument - the Richie
>  Hawtin RA Podcast
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> On 2 May 2008, at 10:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  > Hmmmm, I'm talking more about the entire "thing" he's created in
>  > Berlin and his general, almost slavish, use of the newest
>  > gadget/technology.
>
>
>  Nah, Bowie and Eno did that stuff years before him, so he likes
>  technology it's not really a big shocker, is it?
>
>  Bjork has had loads of focus for it, it doesn't write the tunes tho as
>  her new album testifies.
>
>  I don't pick up on this slavish thing Jason to be honest but I do
>  share a love for toys and have been torturing myself for months over
>  the iPhone.
>
>  > Personally I find it extremelly difficult to
>  > "market", do good artwork , press etc but that's only a small part of
>  > his activities anyway.
>  > This isn't a recent thing for me, I've been of a similar opinion since
>  > about 1994!
>
>  Fair enough but at the end of the day good music wins thru, regardless
>  of all the "fluff".
>
>  >
>  >
>  > Jason "naive" Brunton -(you obviously haven't met a lot of the
>  > customers we have who buy Minus material or you wouldn't have made
>  > that comment :)  )
>
>  The naive comment wasn't aimed at anyone, but I stand by it tho and
>  yeah I buy Minus, I don't have a small beard, scarf or dress in bright
>  colours :) God I feel like I'm confessing to something dirty!
>
>  m
>
>  PS. Have you seen your picture in DJ mag this month?
>
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