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From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 5:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Steve,
I don't believe you understand how fast charging is for Tesla.
My model 3 can charge at up to 150KW so if I pull into a charger at 10% battery
life and charge to 80%, it only takes about half hour.
With V3 of their supercharger, the rate increased to 250KW peak so expect a
near full charge under 20 mins while traveling.
90% of my miles are charged at home in the garage, overnight. Most EV owners
are not charging at public chargers like we all do at gas stations today. This
is a fundamental change when buying an EV but it basically means you have a
full battery every morning.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:15 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
at this point life has fucked me enough that id need bowling ball size beads
to gain anything from them
For one, a work truck idles for power, for heat and for AC. You dont run a
couple hundred miles or a few hours in a work truck, then stop for hours to
fuel it up, you stop at the gas station, hit on the toothless broad at the
counter, grab your energy drink, look in the shitter mirror at yourself with
contempt and get on with your day
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:03 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I figured the anal beads would be the up sell for you.
Why do you think this truck is less capable?
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From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 5:56:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Rotflmao, apple had a product everybody wanted, even if they didnt know it
yet.
I guess i just come from a time before men wore skinny jeans, manbuns and
perfectly tailored lumberjack shirts that stay impeccably clean. Trucks used to
be a thing men used to do man shit. I assume instead of free floormats these
will come with a free set of anal beads since tools are now more an accessory
than a necessity of function.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 5:41 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
Steve let me introduce to this company called Apple.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 3:46 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
A. Why does musk get a free pass every time he over promises and under
delivers?
B. Why would anybody with any modicum of testosterone buy an overpriced
truck that doesnt have real cargo capacity or the ability to actually haul a
load over distance
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yeah, MPGe is useful for comparing electric vehicles, if nothing
else.
I agree, I got the impression that the cybertruck is mainly designed
that way for functional reasons. Elon Musk even said that part of the reason is
because they can't stamp the stainless steel.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:02 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree that the calculus for MPGe is probably not realistic, but
at least it's something to hang your hat on for now. The latest firmware for
the model 3 comes in at ~~ 140 MPGe, so Tesla is apparently figuring out how to
squeeze more efficiency out of their vehicles.
I think one of the reasons for the radical shape of the cybertruck
is an effort to get some aerodynamics out of a platform that (with conventional
trucks) is very unfriendly toward aerodynamics. Another reason might be because
the material (stainless steel) is pretty difficult to hydro-form.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/25/2019 8:53 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Considering the size of it, and the fact that it's mostly made
out of relatively thick stainless steel, I have a hard time believing they can
get 250 miles out of a 75kwh battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge
improvements in efficiency on the model S over it's lifespan, but 111 MPGe
would be the same as the current Model S, and it seems unlikely they'll get
that much better over the next couple of years. I think a 100kwh battery on the
base model is a lot more likely.
MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of comparing the cost of an
electric vs gas vehicle... my model S is rated at 89 MPGe, but if I figure out
what the actual cost per mile is compared to current gas prices here, it works
out to the equivalent of around 50 MPG. But not too long ago, that would've
been closer to 70 MPG (and most likely will be again before too long), and the
cost of electricity is way more consistent than gas.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I was scouring the net trying to get a clue about what size the
batteries would be on this thing. Only one publication speculated that the base
model with 250 mile range (the $39,900 one) would have a ~~ 75KWh battery. Of
course it is pure speculation, but that would result in about 111 MPGe. Can't
do that with your diesel Silverado.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote:
I think I figured out the design... Prototype name was the
Cyberf117
On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I want one with a Boston Scientific dog in the back.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Tesla production models roaming the streets is scary enough
without the nightmare of prototypes creeping through the alleys
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
There may be prototypes roaming the streets as we speak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Review says the exterior is all “stabby” but the inside
is comfy.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/
Stabby Steve would like it.
I was surprise they were taking it on test drives, I
had assumed it was a non functional prototype just for show.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of
Robert
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 7:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Oh, he didn't opt for the cupholder delete option,
which comes with a $4K/cupholder CREDIT...
On 11/22/19 4:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I was just going by what Robert said as $8K, and I
figured there were two of them.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/22/2019 4:51 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
Umm, Bill - fake news. Came in my 2016 Cayman GTS
for nada…
On Nov 22, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah. Only $4K each.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 11/22/2019 3:51 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
woah! you can get cupholders in a Porsche these
days?!
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:30 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
Having gone through Porsche ordering hell, 8K
gets you cupholders
finally, Sound system? More like 15...
On 11/22/2019 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Toyota is super nice when it comes to base
models. I got a 4 cylinder
> Tacoma (should have gotten the v6, it's way
too underpowered) base model
> and it has touchscreen with bluetooth. Power
windows/locks/etc.
>
> Porsche on the other hand requires you have
something like $8k in
> options for that feature. Another $2k if you
want the bluetooth to do
> audio as well.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:56 PM Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
> It was mostly a dig at the lowest priced
option a manufacturer makes
> probably is missing a variety of features
one is used to.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman"
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> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
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> *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:53:33
PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
> Yes Mike, it's a Toyota. Not Pontiac.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mike
Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
> Does a $30k truck come with AC? Power
windows? Radio?
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Matt Hoppes"
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> *To: *"Mathew Howard"
<mhoward...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>,
"AnimalFarm Microwave Users
> Group" <af@af.afmug.com
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> *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019
2:49:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
> OK... and? Still a far cry from $40
or $50.
>
> On 11/22/19 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
> > That's $32,780...
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt
Hoppes
> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> >
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > That’s the current model.
> >
> > Here’s the bill of sale:
> >
> > image1.jpeg
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:55 PM,
Josh Luthman
> > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That's $36k, 20% more...
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:08
PM Matt Hoppes
> >>
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> >>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’ll get you the bill of
sale when I get back to the
> office.
> >>
> >> Brand new 2018 Tundra.
100 miles. Never owned. No issue.
> >>
> >> Here’s a comparably
equipped 2019 for $34k.
> >>
> >> <image1.png>
> >>
> >> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39
PM, Josh Luthman
> >>
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You think a truck would
have sat on the lot for a
> year?
> >>> Tundras don't sell well,
but I don't think they sell
> >>> remarkably bad.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at
12:38 PM Robert
> >>> <i...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Last year lot
sitter, sure....
> >>>
> >>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM,
Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>> I seriously doubt
you got a new, untitled,
> Tundra for
> >>>> $30k, Especially
with options. There's no
> way they're
> >>>> doing a 10%+
discount for you or anyone else
> with a
> >>>> single quantity
purchase. I'll believe 30k
> when I see
> >>>> the bill of sale.
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh Luthman
> >>>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>>> Suite 1337
> >>>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 22,
2019 at 10:57 AM Matt Hoppes
> >>>>
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> >>>>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I absolutely
know what trucks cost and
> $50-$60k is
> >>>> way too much.
We
> >>>> purchased a
brand new Toyota Tundra two
> years ago
> >>>> for $30k...
outfitted
> >>>> well.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/22/19
10:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>>> > To be
consistent with my feelings on
> their semi
> >>>> truck, as long
as the
> >>>> > performance,
specifications,
> reliability, utility
> >>>> are as
promised, I
> >>>> > care much
less about how it appears.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > That $40k
price point is nice, though
> I'd want at
> >>>> least the $50k
to have
> >>>> > AWD.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I've seen
people say stuff like, "OMG,
> that too
> >>>> much money for
a truck."
> >>>> > Clearly they
have no idea what trucks
> cost. I
> >>>> haven't seen
what the
> >>>> > electric ATV
costs.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I also wonder
what else changes between
> the tiers.
> >>>> Adding more
motors
> >>>> > shouldn't add
to the range of the
> vehicle, so
> >>>> what's
happening with the
> >>>> > battery,
weight, etc. Adding more batteries
> >>>> shouldn't make
it faster, so
> >>>> > what's up
with the extra motors?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm more
willing to admit I don't need
> to pull a
> >>>> house with my
daily
> >>>> > driver
because I can always get
> something from the
> >>>> farm. I just
want it
> >>>> > to be big
enough to handle most things.
> Hell, even
> >>>> the 14k towing
would
> >>>> > be enough for
our Bobcat and trailer.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I wonder how
trailers work with the
> EVs... how
> >>>> easy is it to
add (or
> >>>> > get the
option for) gooseneck, fifth
> wheel, etc.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I do like the
hard, lockable tonneau
> cover. Maybe
> >>>> Rivian had it
> >>>> > available and
I just forgot. Nice place
> to store a
> >>>> bunch of tools
for a
> >>>> > work truck,
though no place to add a
> ladder rack.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I was annoyed
they didn't have battery
> specs, but
> >>>> I suppose that
could
> >>>> > still be
fuzzy. Maybe they don't know if
> they need
> >>>> 100 or 110 kw
to meet
> >>>> > their
advertised performance numbers.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Weight would
be nice to know as well.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm not
surprised on the design. All
> else equal,
> >>>> I'd probably
prefer the
> >>>> > Rivian, but
let's see how things
> actually bare
> >>>> out. What's the
"mpg"
> >>>> > compared to
Rivian? I guess it'd be MPkWh?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > -----
> >>>> > Mike Hammett
> >>>> > Intelligent
Computing Solutions
> >>>>
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
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> >>>> > *Sent:
*Friday, November 22, 2019 9:25:31 AM
> >>>> > *Subject:
*[AFMUG] Cybertruck
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I was
expecting to see some comments
> from this
> >>>> crowd. Was
everyone
> >>>> > suitably
underwhelmed? Or running out
> to place
> >>>> your pre-orders?
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