Am I the only one who thinks it looks like an updated Volkswagen Thing?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:59 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
1 - I think he's been plenty brutalized (have you read Seeking Alpha, Forbes,
or Motley Fool lately?). If you're going to fly with the eagles, be prepared to
get shot down. There are lots and lots of shorts on their stock.
2 - If you're talking about the cybertruck, I don't think it's actually
overpriced. I think the price is right in the ballpark for full size half ton
pickups. It also has almost double the cargo capacity of any the existing
half-ton pickups. I think 250 miles is probably OK for the base model. If you
need more range, there are options for that.
Of course, none of it is real yet. People will be quick to point out anything
that doesn't pan out when (if?) it actually reaches production. BTW - The specs
literally smoke the Rivian (which also is not real).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/25/2019 12:45 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
A. Why does musk get a free pass every time he over promises and under
delivers?
B. Why would anybody with any modicum of testosterone buy an overpriced truck
that doesnt have real cargo capacity or the ability to actually haul a load
over distance
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Yeah, MPGe is useful for comparing electric vehicles, if nothing else.
I agree, I got the impression that the cybertruck is mainly designed that way
for functional reasons. Elon Musk even said that part of the reason is because
they can't stamp the stainless steel.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:02 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I agree that the calculus for MPGe is probably not realistic, but at least it's
something to hang your hat on for now. The latest firmware for the model 3
comes in at ~~ 140 MPGe, so Tesla is apparently figuring out how to squeeze
more efficiency out of their vehicles.
I think one of the reasons for the radical shape of the cybertruck is an effort
to get some aerodynamics out of a platform that (with conventional trucks) is
very unfriendly toward aerodynamics. Another reason might be because the
material (stainless steel) is pretty difficult to hydro-form.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/25/2019 8:53 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Considering the size of it, and the fact that it's mostly made out of
relatively thick stainless steel, I have a hard time believing they can get 250
miles out of a 75kwh battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge improvements in
efficiency on the model S over it's lifespan, but 111 MPGe would be the same as
the current Model S, and it seems unlikely they'll get that much better over
the next couple of years. I think a 100kwh battery on the base model is a lot
more likely.
MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of comparing the cost of an electric vs gas
vehicle... my model S is rated at 89 MPGe, but if I figure out what the actual
cost per mile is compared to current gas prices here, it works out to the
equivalent of around 50 MPG. But not too long ago, that would've been closer to
70 MPG (and most likely will be again before too long), and the cost of
electricity is way more consistent than gas.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I was scouring the net trying to get a clue about what size the batteries would
be on this thing. Only one publication speculated that the base model with 250
mile range (the $39,900 one) would have a ~~ 75KWh battery. Of course it is
pure speculation, but that would result in about 111 MPGe. Can't do that with
your diesel Silverado.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote:
I think I figured out the design... Prototype name was the Cyberf117
On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I want one with a Boston Scientific dog in the back.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Tesla production models roaming the streets is scary enough without the
nightmare of prototypes creeping through the alleys
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:
There may be prototypes roaming the streets as we speak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Review says the exterior is all “stabby” but the inside is comfy.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/
Stabby Steve would like it.
I was surprise they were taking it on test drives, I had assumed it was a non
functional prototype just for show.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 7:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Oh, he didn't opt for the cupholder delete option, which comes with a
$4K/cupholder CREDIT...
On 11/22/19 4:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I was just going by what Robert said as $8K, and I figured there were two of
them.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/22/2019 4:51 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
Umm, Bill - fake news. Came in my 2016 Cayman GTS for nada…
On Nov 22, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Yeah. Only $4K each.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/22/2019 3:51 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
woah! you can get cupholders in a Porsche these days?!
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:30 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:
Having gone through Porsche ordering hell, 8K gets you cupholders
finally, Sound system? More like 15...
On 11/22/2019 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Toyota is super nice when it comes to base models. I got a 4 cylinder
> Tacoma (should have gotten the v6, it's way too underpowered) base model
> and it has touchscreen with bluetooth. Power windows/locks/etc.
>
> Porsche on the other hand requires you have something like $8k in
> options for that feature. Another $2k if you want the bluetooth to do
> audio as well.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:56 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net%20%0b>
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
> It was mostly a dig at the lowest priced option a manufacturer makes
> probably is missing a variety of features one is used to.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com%0b>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
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> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:53:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
> Yes Mike, it's a Toyota. Not Pontiac.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net%0b>
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
> Does a $30k truck come with AC? Power windows? Radio?
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
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> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
> *To: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com%0b>
> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>, "AnimalFarm Microwave Users
> Group" <af@af.afmug.com
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> *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:49:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
> OK... and? Still a far cry from $40 or $50.
>
> On 11/22/19 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> > That's $32,780...
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Hoppes
> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > That’s the current model.
> >
> > Here’s the bill of sale:
> >
> > image1.jpeg
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman
> > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com%0b>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com%0b>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That's $36k, 20% more...
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:08 PM Matt Hoppes
> >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> >> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get back to the
> office.
> >>
> >> Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never owned. No issue.
> >>
> >> Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k.
> >>
> >> <image1.png>
> >>
> >> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman
> >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com%0b>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com%0b>
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You think a truck would have sat on the lot for a
> year?
> >>> Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think they sell
> >>> remarkably bad.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert
> >>> <i...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com%0b>
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com%0b>
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Last year lot sitter, sure....
> >>>
> >>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>> I seriously doubt you got a new, untitled,
> Tundra for
> >>>> $30k, Especially with options. There's no
> way they're
> >>>> doing a 10%+ discount for you or anyone else
> with a
> >>>> single quantity purchase. I'll believe 30k
> when I see
> >>>> the bill of sale.
> >>>>
> >>>> Josh Luthman
> >>>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>>> Suite 1337
> >>>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt Hoppes
> >>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> >>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%0b>
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I absolutely know what trucks cost and
> $50-$60k is
> >>>> way too much. We
> >>>> purchased a brand new Toyota Tundra two
> years ago
> >>>> for $30k... outfitted
> >>>> well.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>>> > To be consistent with my feelings on
> their semi
> >>>> truck, as long as the
> >>>> > performance, specifications,
> reliability, utility
> >>>> are as promised, I
> >>>> > care much less about how it appears.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > That $40k price point is nice, though
> I'd want at
> >>>> least the $50k to have
> >>>> > AWD.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I've seen people say stuff like, "OMG,
> that too
> >>>> much money for a truck."
> >>>> > Clearly they have no idea what trucks
> cost. I
> >>>> haven't seen what the
> >>>> > electric ATV costs.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I also wonder what else changes between
> the tiers.
> >>>> Adding more motors
> >>>> > shouldn't add to the range of the
> vehicle, so
> >>>> what's happening with the
> >>>> > battery, weight, etc. Adding more batteries
> >>>> shouldn't make it faster, so
> >>>> > what's up with the extra motors?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm more willing to admit I don't need
> to pull a
> >>>> house with my daily
> >>>> > driver because I can always get
> something from the
> >>>> farm. I just want it
> >>>> > to be big enough to handle most things.
> Hell, even
> >>>> the 14k towing would
> >>>> > be enough for our Bobcat and trailer.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I wonder how trailers work with the
> EVs... how
> >>>> easy is it to add (or
> >>>> > get the option for) gooseneck, fifth
> wheel, etc.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I do like the hard, lockable tonneau
> cover. Maybe
> >>>> Rivian had it
> >>>> > available and I just forgot. Nice place
> to store a
> >>>> bunch of tools for a
> >>>> > work truck, though no place to add a
> ladder rack.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I was annoyed they didn't have battery
> specs, but
> >>>> I suppose that could
> >>>> > still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't know if
> they need
> >>>> 100 or 110 kw to meet
> >>>> > their advertised performance numbers.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Weight would be nice to know as well.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm not surprised on the design. All
> else equal,
> >>>> I'd probably prefer the
> >>>> > Rivian, but let's see how things
> actually bare
> >>>> out. What's the "mpg"
> >>>> > compared to Rivian? I guess it'd be MPkWh?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > -----
> >>>> > Mike Hammett
> >>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
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> >>>> >
> >>>>
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> >>>> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%0b>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> >>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%0b>
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>
> >>>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
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> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
> >>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 9:25:31 AM
> >>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I was expecting to see some comments
> from this
> >>>> crowd. Was everyone
> >>>> > suitably underwhelmed? Or running out
> to place
> >>>> your pre-orders?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I think I saw one comment that it looked
> like a
> >>>> cross between an El
> >>>> > Camino and a Pontiac Aztec. It
> certainly was not
> >>>> what I expected when I
> >>>> > heard Tesla was going to bring out an
> electric
> >>>> truck. It sounds like
> >>>> > the 3 motor version will indeed be fast,
> but how
> >>>> big a market is there
> >>>> > for a fast,
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