1 - I think he's been plenty brutalized (have you read Seeking
Alpha, Forbes, or Motley Fool lately?). If you're going to fly
with the eagles, be prepared to get shot down. There are lots and
lots of shorts on their stock.
2 - If you're talking about the cybertruck, I don't think it's
actually overpriced. I think the price is right in the ballpark
for full size half ton pickups. It also has almost double the
cargo capacity of any the existing half-ton pickups. I think 250
miles is probably OK for the base model. If you need more range,
there are options for that.
Of course, none of it is real yet. People will be quick to point
out anything that doesn't pan out when (if?) it actually reaches
production. BTW - The specs literally smoke the Rivian (which also
is not real).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/25/2019 12:45 PM, Steve Jones
wrote:
A. Why does musk get a free pass every time he over
promises and under delivers?
B. Why would anybody with any modicum of testosterone buy
an overpriced truck that doesnt have real cargo capacity or
the ability to actually haul a load over distance
Yeah, MPGe is useful for comparing electric vehicles,
if nothing else.
I agree, I got the impression that the
cybertruck is mainly designed that way for functional
reasons. Elon Musk even said that part of the reason is
because they can't stamp the stainless steel.
I agree that the calculus for MPGe is probably
not realistic, but at least it's something to hang
your hat on for now. The latest firmware for the
model 3 comes in at ~~ 140 MPGe, so Tesla is
apparently figuring out how to squeeze more
efficiency out of their vehicles.
I think one of the reasons for the radical shape
of the cybertruck is an effort to get some
aerodynamics out of a platform that (with
conventional trucks) is very unfriendly toward
aerodynamics. Another reason might be because the
material (stainless steel) is pretty difficult to
hydro-form.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/25/2019 8:53 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Considering the size of it, and the
fact that it's mostly made out of relatively
thick stainless steel, I have a hard time
believing they can get 250 miles out of a 75kwh
battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge
improvements in efficiency on the model S over
it's lifespan, but 111 MPGe would be the same as
the current Model S, and it seems unlikely
they'll get that much better over the next
couple of years. I think a 100kwh battery on the
base model is a lot more likely.
MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of
comparing the cost of an electric vs gas
vehicle... my model S is rated at 89 MPGe, but
if I figure out what the actual cost per mile
is compared to current gas prices here, it
works out to the equivalent of around 50 MPG.
But not too long ago, that would've been
closer to 70 MPG (and most likely will be
again before too long), and the cost of
electricity is way more consistent than gas.
I was scouring the net trying to get a
clue about what size the batteries would
be on this thing. Only one publication
speculated that the base model with 250
mile range (the $39,900 one) would have a
~~ 75KWh battery. Of course it is pure
speculation, but that would result in
about 111 MPGe. Can't do that with your
diesel Silverado.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote:
I think I
figured out the design... Prototype
name was the Cyberf117
On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown
wrote:
I want one with a Boston
Scientific dog in the back.
Sent: Sunday,
November 24, 2019 4:46 PM
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] Cybertruck
Tesla production models
roaming the streets is scary
enough without the nightmare of
prototypes creeping through the
alleys
There may be prototypes
roaming the streets as we
speak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM,
Ken Hohhof wrote:
Review says the exterior is all “stabby” but
the inside is comfy.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/
Stabby Steve would like it.
I was surprise they were taking it on test
drives, I had
assumed it was a non
functional prototype
just for show.
Oh, he didn't opt for the cupholder delete
option, which
comes with a
$4K/cupholder
CREDIT...
On
11/22/19 4:53 PM,
Bill Prince wrote:
I was just going by
what Robert said as
$8K, and I figured
there were two of
them.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
11/22/2019 4:51
PM, Tim Hardy
wrote:
Umm,
Bill - fake news.
Came in my 2016
Cayman GTS for
nada…
Yeah.
Only $4K each.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
11/22/2019
3:51 PM,
Mathew Howard
wrote:
woah!
you can get
cupholders in
a Porsche
these days?!
Having
gone through
Porsche
ordering hell,
8K gets you
cupholders
finally,
Sound system?
More like
15...
On 11/22/2019
01:04 PM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
> Toyota is
super nice
when it comes
to base
models. I got
a 4 cylinder
> Tacoma
(should have
gotten the v6,
it's way too
underpowered)
base model
> and it
has
touchscreen
with
bluetooth.
Power
windows/locks/etc.
>
> Porsche
on the other
hand requires
you have
something like
$8k in
> options
for that
feature.
Another $2k if
you want the
bluetooth to
do
> audio as
well.
>
> Josh
Luthman
> Office:
937-552-2340
> Direct:
937-552-2343
> 1100
Wayne St
> Suite
1337
> Troy, OH
45373
>
>
> On Fri,
Nov 22, 2019
at 3:56 PM
Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net
>
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
wrote:
>
> It
was mostly a
dig at the
lowest priced
option a
manufacturer
makes
>
probably is
missing a
variety of
features one
is used to.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike
Hammett
>
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Computing
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>
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>
*From: *"Josh
Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> *To:
*"AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group"
<af@af.afmug.com
>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>
*Sent:
*Friday,
November 22,
2019 2:53:33
PM
>
*Subject: *Re:
[AFMUG]
Cybertruck
>
> Yes
Mike, it's a
Toyota. Not
Pontiac.
>
> Josh
Luthman
>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
Direct:
937-552-2343
> 1100
Wayne St
> Suite
1337
> Troy,
OH 45373
>
>
> On
Fri, Nov 22,
2019 at 3:51
PM Mike
Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
wrote:
>
>
Does a $30k
truck come
with AC? Power
windows?
Radio?
>
>
>
>
-----
>
Mike Hammett
>
Intelligent
Computing
Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
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>
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>
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WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>
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>
*From: *"Matt
Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>
*To: *"Mathew
Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
>
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>,
"AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users
>
Group" <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>
*Sent:
*Friday,
November 22,
2019 2:49:15
PM
>
*Subject: *Re:
[AFMUG]
Cybertruck
>
>
OK... and?
Still a far
cry from $40
or $50.
>
>
On 11/22/19
3:42 PM,
Mathew Howard
wrote:
>
> That's
$32,780...
>
>
>
> On Fri,
Nov 22, 2019,
2:35 PM Matt
Hoppes
>
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
That’s the
current model.
>
>
>
>
Here’s the
bill of sale:
>
>
>
>
image1.jpeg
>
>
>
> On
Nov 22, 2019,
at 1:55 PM,
Josh Luthman
>
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>>
>
>
wrote:
>
>
>
>>
That's $36k,
20% more...
>
>>
>
>>
Josh Luthman
>
>>
Office:
937-552-2340
>
>>
Direct:
937-552-2343
>
>>
1100 Wayne St
>
>>
Suite 1337
>
>>
Troy, OH 45373
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
On Fri, Nov
22, 2019 at
1:08 PM Matt
Hoppes
>
>>
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>
>>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>> I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get back to the
>
office.
>
>>
>
>> Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never owned. No
issue.
>
>>
>
>> Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k.
>
>>
>
>> <image1.png>
>
>>
>
>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman
>
>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> You think a truck would have sat on the lot for a
>
year?
>
>>> Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think they
sell
>
>>> remarkably bad.
>
>>>
>
>>> Josh Luthman
>
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>
>>> Suite 1337
>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert
>
>>> <i...@avantwireless.com
>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>
wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> Last year lot sitter, sure....
>
>>>
>
>>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>>> I seriously doubt you got a new, untitled,
>
Tundra for
>
>>>> $30k, Especially with options. There's no
>
way they're
>
>>>> doing a 10%+ discount for you or anyone
else
>
with a
>
>>>> single quantity purchase. I'll believe 30k
>
when I see
>
>>>> the bill of sale.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>
>>>> Suite 1337
>
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt
Hoppes
>
>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>
>>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>
wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>>>> I absolutely know what trucks cost and
>
$50-$60k is
>
>>>> way too much. We
>
>>>> purchased a brand new Toyota Tundra two
>
years ago
>
>>>> for $30k... outfitted
>
>>>> well.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett
wrote:
>
>>>> > To be consistent with my feelings
on
>
their semi
>
>>>> truck, as long as the
>
>>>> > performance, specifications,
>
reliability,
utility
>
>>>> are as promised, I
>
>>>> > care much less about how it
appears.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > That $40k price point is nice,
though
>
I'd want at
>
>>>> least the $50k to have
>
>>>> > AWD.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I've seen people say stuff like,
"OMG,
>
that too
>
>>>> much money for a truck."
>
>>>> > Clearly they have no idea what
trucks
>
cost. I
>
>>>> haven't seen what the
>
>>>> > electric ATV costs.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I also wonder what else changes
between
>
the tiers.
>
>>>> Adding more motors
>
>>>> > shouldn't add to the range of the
>
vehicle, so
>
>>>> what's happening with the
>
>>>> > battery, weight, etc. Adding more
batteries
>
>>>> shouldn't make it faster, so
>
>>>> > what's up with the extra motors?
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I'm more willing to admit I don't
need
>
to pull a
>
>>>> house with my daily
>
>>>> > driver because I can always get
>
something from
the
>
>>>> farm. I just want it
>
>>>> > to be big enough to handle most
things.
>
Hell, even
>
>>>> the 14k towing would
>
>>>> > be enough for our Bobcat and
trailer.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I wonder how trailers work with
the
>
EVs... how
>
>>>> easy is it to add (or
>
>>>> > get the option for) gooseneck,
fifth
>
wheel, etc.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I do like the hard, lockable
tonneau
>
cover. Maybe
>
>>>> Rivian had it
>
>>>> > available and I just forgot. Nice
place
>
to store a
>
>>>> bunch of tools for a
>
>>>> > work truck, though no place to add
a
>
ladder rack.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I was annoyed they didn't have
battery
>
specs, but
>
>>>> I suppose that could
>
>>>> > still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't
know if
>
they need
>
>>>> 100 or 110 kw to meet
>
>>>> > their advertised performance
numbers.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > Weight would be nice to know as
well.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I'm not surprised on the design.
All
>
else equal,
>
>>>> I'd probably prefer the
>
>>>> > Rivian, but let's see how things
>
actually bare
>
>>>> out. What's the "mpg"
>
>>>> > compared to Rivian? I guess it'd
be MPkWh?
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > -----
>
>>>> > Mike Hammett
>
>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
>>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
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>
>>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange
>
<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
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>
>>>> > The Brothers WISP
>
<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>
>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
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>
>>>> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>
>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
>
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>>
>
>>>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group"
>
>>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
>
>>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019
9:25:31 AM
>
>>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I was expecting to see some
comments
>
from this
>
>>>> crowd. Was everyone
>
>>>> > suitably underwhelmed? Or running
out
>
to place
>
>>>> your pre-orders?
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I think I saw one comment that it
looked
>
like a
>
>>>> cross between an El
>
>>>> > Camino and a Pontiac Aztec. It
>
certainly was
not
>
>>>> what I expected when I
>
>>>> > heard Tesla was going to bring out
an
>
electric
>
>>>> truck. It sounds like
>
>>>> > the 3 motor version will indeed be
fast,
>
but how
>
>>>> big a market is there
>
>>>> > for a fast,
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