I am pissed though, because im wondering if the ship with my tools got
quarantined. it was 10-20 day shipping and that was january 11. I emailed
the contact and got no response, I assume the contact is in the new prison
hospital getting a lead based vaccine on his way to the incinerator.
Also, as long as its off topic, there is a plague of locusts in Africa.
Thats kind of bad, but will help with NLOS due to foliage
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:50 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Chinas numbers dont matter.
> The 300 or so outside china matter, and those numbers are currently of
> nearly zero concern since the only ones dying are people who were already
> compromised prior to leaving china where they were infected. Aside from the
> anticipated infections due to long term confinement in proximity on cruise
> ships, there have only been two infections outside china, and those two
> were intimate contact. If this were highly contagious, the hundreds of
> thousands of airplane passengers that were exposed would have spread this
> globally by now. I dont understand why people are still spouting the same
> rhetoric today as they were a month ago
>
> This, in the long term may be a very good thing for consumers. Between the
> suspicious trade practices, the tariffs, the shipping lead times, etc, Many
> manufacturers have to have given serious consideration to alternate
> sourcing. 25% tariffs, or zero shipping makes the increase in production
> costs much less risky. As production moves to other nations with low labor
> costs, the long term pricing prospects will balance out to chinese
> manufacturing costs. It will only take one major company to move
> manufacturing out to trigger the dominos. If the 4d chess conspiracies have
> any merit, its quite possible that the US created the kungflu to force
> production out of china.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:29 AM Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
>> WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
>> from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
>> world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.
>>
>> My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
>> diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
>> overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
>> that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>>>
>>> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>>>
>>> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this
>>> though. Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs,
>>> there arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he
>>> wants me to buy the gear.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
>>>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
>>>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
>>>> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>>>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
>>>> either
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
>>>>> finding infected people now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
>>>>> symptoms but is infectious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better
>>>>> before becoming terminal.
>>>>>
>>>>> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
>>>>> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
>>>>> so far.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
>>>>> US.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > bp
>>>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> >> Let me fix that for you:
>>>>> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
>>>>> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
>>>>> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have
>>>>> died in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus
>>>>> 0.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-10000-americans-this-season/
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> bp
>>>>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> >>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF. We've only just
>>>>> started. It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S....
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> it's not the flu?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>>>>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
>>>>> what's going on and what's going to be going on, but on CN and elsewhere
>>>>> in the world.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
>>>>> days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
>>>>> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
>>>>> because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably
>>>>> trust the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
>>>>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> bp
>>>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
>>>>> caused China to:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Send the president into hiding
>>>>> >>>>>> Build several emergency hospitals
>>>>> >>>>>> Lock down major cities
>>>>> >>>>>> Extend the CNY
>>>>> >>>>>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>>>>> >>>>>> Daily fumigation of streets
>>>>> >>>>>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>>>>> >>>>>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
>>>>> quarantine
>>>>> >>>>>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>>>>> >>>>>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
>>>>> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they
>>>>> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
>>>>> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording
>>>>> in cases.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
>>>>> that we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the
>>>>> fatality rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go).
>>>>> Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5
>>>>> and
>>>>> 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all
>>>>> that fatal.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Fear driven journalism.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> bp
>>>>> >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>>> the map
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>>>>>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt
>>>>> spread
>>>>> >>>>>>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with
>>>>> people who
>>>>> >>>>>>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise
>>>>> ship in
>>>>> >>>>>>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a
>>>>> small
>>>>> >>>>>>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>> dirtiest on the planet.
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago,
>>>>> i will
>>>>> >>>>>>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE
>>>>> Player
>>>>> >>>>>>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <
>>>>> af...@kwisp.com
>>>>> >>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>>>>> >>>>>>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact
>>>>> that all
>>>>> >>>>>>>> their stuff is made in China?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are
>>>>> starting
>>>>> >>>>>>>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>>>>>>> year. I know China will try not to let the virus
>>>>> impact
>>>>> >>>>>>>> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see
>>>>> how it
>>>>> >>>>>>>> won’t. It could also spread to other countries in
>>>>> the area
>>>>> >>>>>>>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>> assembly work. I have already seen some predictions
>>>>> that TV
>>>>> >>>>>>>> supplies may be affected.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
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