*nods* Multiport devices don't do me any good as I drop every radio down to a router port. Ubiquiti's new box is like wanting to get laid, so you go to a strip club. It doesn't really make the situation any better and I'm not sure it was worth the effort either.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 3:03:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream This is more along the lines of noisy FM sites or extended cable length. Plus a 300+ foot cat5e/6, even shielded, is a surge magnet. I do not like the idea of a multi-port device, especially on the tower. If it fails, then multiple radios go down. What I would do is order predetermined lengths of hybrid power+fiber cables for each radio. It's not about saving money on the cable runs. I want the power and ethernet loop for every radio to terminate in the shelter. On 1/3/2016 12:35 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: At a recent show I spent some time asking people about doing this very product... That is, a DC powered fiber to poe injector. Small box at the top, run power and fiber to it, and a short jumper to the radio. I had gotten as far as finding the appropriate silicon to do this. I also asked on this list. The response I got was underwhelming. Either they had no interest in this at all or they didn't see any reason why they wouldn't just put a small netonix in a box at the top and then only run a single fiber. After asking a lot of potential costumers and I don't think getting a single positive feedback I abandoned the idea, although I still think it's an excellent idea. On Jan 2, 2016 9:33 PM, "George Skorup" < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: > > No, I mean a single-port media converter and a PoE injector in a box that > goes on the tower next to the radio. A 2-3 foot cat5 out to the radio's > POE+data port. > > Fiber + power coming from the shelter. A DC input block. An SFP or even a > fixed optical interface would be fine. 24-48VDC powers this box and also > sends POE out of the RJ45 port w/ jumpers to select pair polarity like a > GIGE-APC-POE. Kinda parasitic power like Forrest's SyncPipe Parasitic's. > > I'm thinking it would also be pretty cool not only for stuff like the AF24, > but think about 450 or 450i APs too. If it could also pass sync-over-power, > you'd have a very usable product. I know at one point Forrest was talking > about doing a SyncInjector module that only put out power+sync, no ethernet. > The idea was to feed it into your GIGE-APC-POE cards. > > Most of the -48 licensed stuff already has DC + fiber input, so this wouldn't > be for that. I guess it would work for radios like the Exalt ExtendAir G2 > which is copper PoE only, and either secondary copper GigE or special order > T1/E1, but the main port is 802.3at POE. > > > On 1/2/2016 10:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> No, that is a different project. >> >> So you want to inject POE into an ethernet circuit? Both of my POE surge >> suppressors will do that. >> >> From: George Skorup >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 9:07 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> Is that the media converter thing you were talking about? >> >> Can you make something like that in reverse? Say I have a hybrid power+fiber >> cable up the tower and I want to power up a 20-56VDC radio. The most common >> thing I'm thinking of here is an AF24, because UBNT decided not to put an >> SFP and a DC input block on the damn things. For one or two radios, at >> different heights I might add, throwing something like a Netonix switch up >> there doesn't make sense. Plus they're PTPs that I want to go straight into >> physical router interfaces. The media converter should also pass through the >> link status in both directions. I have some cheap-o Startech media >> converters that don't do that, even though there's a dip switch for it, but >> it doesn't work, and it pisses me off. >> >> On 1/2/2016 9:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> It is my APC-POE surge suppressor combined with a 48 to 12 VDC buck >>> converter. Right now it is a kludge. If it powers up the 844E OK under max >>> load while being powered from a netonix switch I will combine the two >>> circuits onto a board and look for an appropriate case for it. >>> >>> From: Chris Fabien >>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:30 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> >>> Can you share more ingo on this chuck? The poe adapter. >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2016 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, I am building a POE adapter for the gigacenter too... >>>> Love their flow software. >>>> >>>> From: Sean Heskett >>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:24 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>> >>>> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I hear you. >>>>> >>>>> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding that >>>>> it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC router >>>>> and place it in the center of the house. >>>>> >>>>> What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the >>>>> head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the >>>>> house. >>>>> >>>>> But that doesn't seem to exist. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik >>>>> from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble >>>>> free for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at >>>>> the pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone >>>>> else deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at >>>>> Walmart for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the >>>>> sales guy talk me into the >>>>> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And people >>>>> still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown box and >>>>> think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that looks >>>>> like a weapon from Star Wars. >>>>> >>>>> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and supply >>>>> the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then what to >>>>> do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars router >>>>> behind it. >>>>> >>>>> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now >>>>> designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the >>>>> Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I >>>>> replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and >>>>> they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both >>>>> 2.4 and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere >>>>> including the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box >>>>> with no external antennas blowing away the big black monster. >>>>> >>>>> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except their >>>>> low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people starting to >>>>> trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too many of my >>>>> customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem to come >>>>> back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that >>>>> only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret the color >>>>> and number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. What's >>>>> that R2? No link on port 3? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Simon Westlake >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they seem >>>>> to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of >>>>> them work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router >>>>> recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with >>>>> just replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor >>>>> problems went away. >>>>> >>>>> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to end >>>>> users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues >>>>> are caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better >>>>> service to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or >>>>> Mikrotik router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. >>>>> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering when >>>>> their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when they're >>>>> watching Daredevil in 4K. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin >>>>> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. >>>>> > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>> --------------------------- >>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software >>>>> >>>>> >> >
