No, that is a different project.  

So you want to inject POE into an ethernet circuit?  Both of my POE surge 
suppressors will do that.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 9:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream

Is that the media converter thing you were talking about?

Can you make something like that in reverse? Say I have a hybrid power+fiber 
cable up the tower and I want to power up a 20-56VDC radio. The most common 
thing I'm thinking of here is an AF24, because UBNT decided not to put an SFP 
and a DC input block on the damn things. For one or two radios, at different 
heights I might add, throwing something like a Netonix switch up there doesn't 
make sense. Plus they're PTPs that I want to go straight into physical router 
interfaces. The media converter should also pass through the link status in 
both directions. I have some cheap-o Startech media converters that don't do 
that, even though there's a dip switch for it, but it doesn't work, and it 
pisses me off.


On 1/2/2016 9:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  It is my APC-POE surge suppressor combined with a 48 to 12 VDC buck 
converter.  Right now it is a kludge.  If it powers up the 844E OK under max 
load while being powered from a netonix switch I will combine the two circuits 
onto a board and look for an appropriate case for it.  

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream

  Can you share more ingo on this chuck? The poe adapter.

  On Jan 1, 2016 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

    Yep, I am building a POE adapter for the gigacenter too...
    Love their flow software.

    From: Sean Heskett 
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:24 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream

    Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling  



    On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

      I hear you.

      My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers.

      Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim.

      I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding that 
it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC router and 
place it in the center of the house.

      What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the 
head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the house.

      But that doesn't seem to exist.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
      Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream

      I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik 
from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble free for 
us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters.  I think they look at the pile of 
discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else deal with it.  
Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart for $50" camp or the 
"I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy talk me into the
      $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp.  And people 
still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown box and think 
it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that looks like a weapon 
from Star Wars.

      The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and supply 
the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then what to do 
about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars router behind it.

      It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now 
designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the Linksys 
designed E series which certainly had their own problems.  I replaced a 
customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and they went from 
having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 and 5 GHz to having 
full bars and great performance everywhere including the basement.  Their minds 
were boggled at this little white box with no external antennas blowing away 
the big black monster.

      Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except their 
low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate.  I see people starting to trend 
toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link.  But too many of my customers 
think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem to come back with these 
Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that only has 1 LED on the 
whole router and you have to interpret the color and number of flashes, it's 
like figuring out what R2D2 is saying.  What's that R2?  No link on port 3?


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Simon Westlake
      Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream

      I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they seem 
to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of them work 
properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router recently, and 
just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just replaced his old 
Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems went away.

      I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to end 
users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues are 
caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better service to an 
end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or Mikrotik router and 
setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ.
      They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering when 
their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when they're 
watching Daredevil in 4K.

      On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
      > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin
      > routers.  I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming.  
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
      >

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