OK, yeah, I was considering this configuration. Still a work in progress.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 9:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
No, I mean a single-port media converter and a PoE injector in a box that goes
on the tower next to the radio. A 2-3 foot cat5 out to the radio's POE+data
port.
Fiber + power coming from the shelter. A DC input block. An SFP or even a fixed
optical interface would be fine. 24-48VDC powers this box and also sends POE
out of the RJ45 port w/ jumpers to select pair polarity like a GIGE-APC-POE.
Kinda parasitic power like Forrest's SyncPipe Parasitic's.
I'm thinking it would also be pretty cool not only for stuff like the AF24, but
think about 450 or 450i APs too. If it could also pass sync-over-power, you'd
have a very usable product. I know at one point Forrest was talking about doing
a SyncInjector module that only put out power+sync, no ethernet. The idea was
to feed it into your GIGE-APC-POE cards.
Most of the -48 licensed stuff already has DC + fiber input, so this wouldn't
be for that. I guess it would work for radios like the Exalt ExtendAir G2 which
is copper PoE only, and either secondary copper GigE or special order T1/E1,
but the main port is 802.3at POE.
On 1/2/2016 10:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
No, that is a different project.
So you want to inject POE into an ethernet circuit? Both of my POE surge
suppressors will do that.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 9:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
Is that the media converter thing you were talking about?
Can you make something like that in reverse? Say I have a hybrid power+fiber
cable up the tower and I want to power up a 20-56VDC radio. The most common
thing I'm thinking of here is an AF24, because UBNT decided not to put an SFP
and a DC input block on the damn things. For one or two radios, at different
heights I might add, throwing something like a Netonix switch up there doesn't
make sense. Plus they're PTPs that I want to go straight into physical router
interfaces. The media converter should also pass through the link status in
both directions. I have some cheap-o Startech media converters that don't do
that, even though there's a dip switch for it, but it doesn't work, and it
pisses me off.
On 1/2/2016 9:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
It is my APC-POE surge suppressor combined with a 48 to 12 VDC buck
converter. Right now it is a kludge. If it powers up the 844E OK under max
load while being powered from a netonix switch I will combine the two circuits
onto a board and look for an appropriate case for it.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
Can you share more ingo on this chuck? The poe adapter.
On Jan 1, 2016 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yep, I am building a POE adapter for the gigacenter too...
Love their flow software.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling
On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:
I hear you.
My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers.
Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim.
I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding
that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC router
and place it in the center of the house.
What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the
head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the house.
But that doesn't seem to exist.
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik
from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble free for
us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at the pile of
discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else deal with it.
Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart for $50" camp or the
"I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy talk me into the
$250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And
people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown box
and think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that looks like
a weapon from Star Wars.
The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and
supply the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then what
to do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars router behind
it.
It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now
designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the Linksys
designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I replaced a
customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and they went from
having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 and 5 GHz to having
full bars and great performance everywhere including the basement. Their minds
were boggled at this little white box with no external antennas blowing away
the big black monster.
Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except
their low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people starting to
trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too many of my
customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem to come back
with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that only has 1
LED on the whole router and you have to interpret the color and number of
flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. What's that R2? No link
on port 3?
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Westlake
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they seem
to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of them work
properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router recently, and
just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just replaced his old
Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems went away.
I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to
end users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues are
caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better service to an
end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or Mikrotik router and
setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ.
They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering when
their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when they're
watching Daredevil in 4K.
On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin
> routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
>
--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---------------------------
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
