*nods* Multiport devices don't do me any good as I drop every radio
down to a router port. Ubiquiti's new box is like wanting to get laid,
so you go to a strip club. It doesn't really make the situation any
better and I'm not sure it was worth the effort either.
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*From: *"George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, January 4, 2016 3:03:24 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
This is more along the lines of noisy FM sites or extended cable
length. Plus a 300+ foot cat5e/6, even shielded, is a surge magnet.
I do not like the idea of a multi-port device, especially on the
tower. If it fails, then multiple radios go down.
What I would do is order predetermined lengths of hybrid power+fiber
cables for each radio. It's not about saving money on the cable runs.
I want the power and ethernet loop for every radio to terminate in the
shelter.
On 1/3/2016 12:35 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
At a recent show I spent some time asking people about doing this
very product...
That is, a DC powered fiber to poe injector. Small box at the
top, run power and fiber to it, and a short jumper to the radio.
I had gotten as far as finding the appropriate silicon to do this.
I also asked on this list.
The response I got was underwhelming. Either they had no interest
in this at all or they didn't see any reason why they wouldn't
just put a small netonix in a box at the top and then only run a
single fiber. After asking a lot of potential costumers and I
don't think getting a single positive feedback I abandoned the
idea, although I still think it's an excellent idea.
On Jan 2, 2016 9:33 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
> No, I mean a single-port media converter and a PoE injector in a
box that goes on the tower next to the radio. A 2-3 foot cat5 out
to the radio's POE+data port.
>
> Fiber + power coming from the shelter. A DC input block. An SFP
or even a fixed optical interface would be fine. 24-48VDC powers
this box and also sends POE out of the RJ45 port w/ jumpers to
select pair polarity like a GIGE-APC-POE. Kinda parasitic power
like Forrest's SyncPipe Parasitic's.
>
> I'm thinking it would also be pretty cool not only for stuff
like the AF24, but think about 450 or 450i APs too. If it could
also pass sync-over-power, you'd have a very usable product. I
know at one point Forrest was talking about doing a SyncInjector
module that only put out power+sync, no ethernet. The idea was to
feed it into your GIGE-APC-POE cards.
>
> Most of the -48 licensed stuff already has DC + fiber input, so
this wouldn't be for that. I guess it would work for radios like
the Exalt ExtendAir G2 which is copper PoE only, and either
secondary copper GigE or special order T1/E1, but the main port is
802.3at POE.
>
>
> On 1/2/2016 10:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> No, that is a different project.
>>
>> So you want to inject POE into an ethernet circuit? Both of my
POE surge suppressors will do that.
>>
>> From: George Skorup
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 9:07 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
>>
>> Is that the media converter thing you were talking about?
>>
>> Can you make something like that in reverse? Say I have a
hybrid power+fiber cable up the tower and I want to power up a
20-56VDC radio. The most common thing I'm thinking of here is an
AF24, because UBNT decided not to put an SFP and a DC input block
on the damn things. For one or two radios, at different heights I
might add, throwing something like a Netonix switch up there
doesn't make sense. Plus they're PTPs that I want to go straight
into physical router interfaces. The media converter should also
pass through the link status in both directions. I have some
cheap-o Startech media converters that don't do that, even though
there's a dip switch for it, but it doesn't work, and it pisses me
off.
>>
>> On 1/2/2016 9:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> It is my APC-POE surge suppressor combined with a 48 to 12 VDC
buck converter. Right now it is a kludge. If it powers up the
844E OK under max load while being powered from a netonix switch I
will combine the two circuits onto a board and look for an
appropriate case for it.
>>>
>>> From: Chris Fabien
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:30 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you share more ingo on this chuck? The poe adapter.
>>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2016 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep, I am building a POE adapter for the gigacenter too...
>>>> Love their flow software.
>>>>
>>>> From: Sean Heskett
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 2:24 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
>>>>
>>>> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear you.
>>>>>
>>>>> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my
customers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm
finding that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+
single Wireless AC router and place it in the center of the house.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I would really like is a good split solution with
routing in the head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in
one or two places in the house.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that doesn't seem to exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed
Mikrotik from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been
very trouble free for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters.
I think they look at the pile of discarded routers in their closet
and decide to let someone else deal with it. Most still fall into
either the "I can buy one at Walmart for $50" camp or the "I like
going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy talk me into the
>>>>> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys"
camp. And people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik
in its plain brown box and think it can't possibly match their big
black AC1900 router that looks like a weapon from Star Wars.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco
crowd and supply the WiFi router and manage it for no additional
revenue, and then what to do about the people who still want to
put their own Star Wars router behind it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys
they are now designing their own Linksys branded routers that are
far worse than the Linksys designed E series which certainly had
their own problems. I replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router
with a Mikrotik this week and they went from having total dead
spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 and 5 GHz to having full
bars and great performance everywhere including the basement.
Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no external
antennas blowing away the big black monster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad,
except their low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I
see people starting to trend toward less known brands like Asus
and TP-Link. But too many of my customers think the electronics
store is "Walmart" and they seem to come back with these Belkin
pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that only has 1 LED
on the whole router and you have to interpret the color and number
of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. What's
that R2? No link on port 3?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Simon Westlake
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream
>>>>>
>>>>> I've honestly given up completely on all residential
routers, they seem to be slowly converging on a common denominator
which is that none of them work properly and only last a few
months. I had to replace my router recently, and just got a
Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just replaced his
old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems went away.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed
routers to end users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after
realizing how many issues are caused by them. There's also a lot
you could do to provide better service to an end user,
hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or Mikrotik router
and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ.
>>>>> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix
buffering when their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP
cutting out when they're watching Daredevil in 4K.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and
buy Belkin
>>>>> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Simon Westlake
>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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