We cannot deploy any 2.4 in my area due to high noise floors in the urban area.

On 06/07/2016 02:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Coming from 2.4 Ubnt do you think it would meet or exceed capacity?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    I have tried a few, one short link through trees is still in
    service, but if the trees are near the customer it is
    unimpressive.  You can probably replace any 2.4 FSK customers, but
    the NLOS ones are going to be 2X or 4X or MIMO-A, so not taking
    advantage of the 450 capabilities and eating up airtime on an
    expensive platform with probably a 10 MHz channel.
    LOS however it rocks.
    *From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
    *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:49 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

    Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this
    discussion?

    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373

    On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com
    <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

        Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs
        22dBm on a 2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better
        pattern on a sector vs omni. A V-pol omni doesn't typically
        have a horrible pattern though. Except for vertical beamwidth.
        Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So it's
        probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.

        We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so
        much the noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going
        to get rid of it eventually along with all of the other 2.4
        shit. It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.

        On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
        Omni to a sector, of course. You're probably getting more
        than 2 db unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small
        sector.
        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
        Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373
        On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
        <lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
        wrote:

            I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a
            cluster though. Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a
            two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam width (think 14db) . Was
            able to hook up every single customer I has on the FSK to
            the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz
            actually has impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot
            better than the 3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all the 450
            frequency bands except 900)
            If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already
            have FSK up on 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise
            floor then do it. You'll love it. The 450 is actually
            better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
            some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
            On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt
            <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
            <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450
                2.4 and how did
                that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on
                near LOS
                connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so
                far though.


                > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some
                Ubiquiti we tried and
                > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
                tested but so far
                > have not deployed more then couple test links.
                >
                > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what
                are the differences
                > you have seen in performance?  Interference
                tolerance among others?
                >
                > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
                was the reasoning?



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