Just the fact that Apple now hides the file system from the user and makes
it impossible to directly manipulate things is a deal breaker for me. I can
understand why they did it, to stop people from shooting themselves in the
foot.

But there a myriad of things I can do on a OnePlus One running CyanogenMod
that are impossible/restricted/locked down on an iPhone. With the right GUI
tools and Termux a cyanogenmod phone is very close to a basic Linux shell
system:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

> To some people, such as myself, openness matters as much as or more than
> certain design aspects.  I used iPhones from 2008-2012 and did enjoy them,
> but that was back when jailbreaking was more or less mainstream.  The fact
> that I even had to jailbreak in the first place, though, to use *my* phone
> the way that *I* wanted to bothered me, and I switched to Android when
> Apple's code-signing BS got to be too much and actually ended up screwing
> me over at one point.
>
> I'm not saying that code-signing is bad...it is great from a security
> standpoint for the average user.  But if somebody desires to turn it off,
> there should be a way for the owner of the phone to do so.  By all means,
> make it a difficult process so that the bar to entry is high enough to
> dissuade the average user from doing so, but make it *possible*.  Apple
> doesn't just use code-signing for security, they also use it as a bludgeon
> with which to bully their users.
>
> So if there is one aspect where I hope Google did *not* copy Apple in this
> endeavor, it is this.  The bootloader on the new phones better darn well be
> unlockable by the user without the user having to exploit a security
> vulnerability to do so.
>
> -- Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:31 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple
>
> Some people ride a Honda, some people ride a Harley. Some people drive a
> Chevy, some people drive a BMW.
>
> I think it was you that even said "If the price was the same, everyone
> would be using an iPhone"... which I honestly believe. I have used a
> brand new Samsung phone with Android, and the first thing I noticed is
> that the screen response is not the same as an iPhone... it's not as
> smooth, or as refined. Yes, it works... it scrolls and it zooms and
> resizes, just like a Chevy gets you from Point A to Point B... but if a
> BMW was the same price as a Chevy, 99% of the population would be
> driving BMW.
>
> Just my thoughts. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 10/5/2016 3:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I will point out (again) that 8 to 9 of 10 smartphones on the planet
> > are Android. So while making it "elegant" is important, it's probably
> > more important to make it affordable.
> >
> > My Nexus phone is a damn fine phone, and I don't feel like I've been
> > left out of anything at all.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >
> > On 10/5/2016 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> >> https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/
> >>
> >> It's taken a while, many years, but Google has finally admitted that
> >> Apple had it right all along... you have to control the hardware AND
> >> software to have an awesome product. This was Steve Job's goal from
> >> the very beginning with the Macintosh... and now everyone else is
> >> finally understanding.
> >>
> >> So now Google is copying everything Apple does... even down to the
> >> marketing materials.  Every commercial they run (along with Samsung
> >> and everyone else) is always "this is why our product is better than
> >> Apple". If a company really believes that, you don't have to make the
> >> direct comparison. LOL
> >>
> >> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~Charles Caleb Colton
> >>
> >> Travis
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

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