Yes, I absolutely agree and strongly encourage the 99.99% of the population with ordinary use cases to buy iPhones and Android phones with fully-packaged semi locked down operating system images (Samsung, LG or HTC, no unlocked bootloader, no extra system option tweaks like cyanogenmod). It will reduce technical support nightmares for everyone.
There is a great deal to be said for Apple's monolithic integration of hardware + iOS for a hassle free Facebook experience. But I really like the fact that if you truly want to, you can make an Android phone with the right hardware (OnePlus One or Oneplus 3 are great examples) into a powerful mobile tool. There are way more than 1000 people on the planet who are not scared of being root on linux systems in absolutely-cannot-fail public internet production roles, and there' a venn diagram overlap with the same people who do like the idea of a pocket sized Linux workstation. It does, after all, run on a variant of the Linux kernel. On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > This literally made me laugh out loud... you realize this is less than 1% > of 1% of the population? Why not just carry a laptop with you to do > whatever you want? > > People just want their phones to work, period. They want to text, > Facebook, Snap, Instagram, and take pics. There are probably 1,000 people > total that need to do what you are talking about with their phones... > that's a VERY small percentage. :) > > Travis > > > On 10/5/2016 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > > Just the fact that Apple now hides the file system from the user and makes > it impossible to directly manipulate things is a deal breaker for me. I can > understand why they did it, to stop people from shooting themselves in the > foot. > > But there a myriad of things I can do on a OnePlus One running CyanogenMod > that are impossible/restricted/locked down on an iPhone. With the right GUI > tools and Termux a cyanogenmod phone is very close to a basic Linux shell > system: > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en > > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To some people, such as myself, openness matters as much as or more than >> certain design aspects. I used iPhones from 2008-2012 and did enjoy them, >> but that was back when jailbreaking was more or less mainstream. The fact >> that I even had to jailbreak in the first place, though, to use *my* phone >> the way that *I* wanted to bothered me, and I switched to Android when >> Apple's code-signing BS got to be too much and actually ended up screwing >> me over at one point. >> >> I'm not saying that code-signing is bad...it is great from a security >> standpoint for the average user. But if somebody desires to turn it off, >> there should be a way for the owner of the phone to do so. By all means, >> make it a difficult process so that the bar to entry is high enough to >> dissuade the average user from doing so, but make it *possible*. Apple >> doesn't just use code-signing for security, they also use it as a bludgeon >> with which to bully their users. >> >> So if there is one aspect where I hope Google did *not* copy Apple in >> this endeavor, it is this. The bootloader on the new phones better darn >> well be unlockable by the user without the user having to exploit a >> security vulnerability to do so. >> >> -- Nathan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:31 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple >> >> Some people ride a Honda, some people ride a Harley. Some people drive a >> Chevy, some people drive a BMW. >> >> I think it was you that even said "If the price was the same, everyone >> would be using an iPhone"... which I honestly believe. I have used a >> brand new Samsung phone with Android, and the first thing I noticed is >> that the screen response is not the same as an iPhone... it's not as >> smooth, or as refined. Yes, it works... it scrolls and it zooms and >> resizes, just like a Chevy gets you from Point A to Point B... but if a >> BMW was the same price as a Chevy, 99% of the population would be >> driving BMW. >> >> Just my thoughts. :) >> >> Travis >> >> >> On 10/5/2016 3:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> > I will point out (again) that 8 to 9 of 10 smartphones on the planet >> > are Android. So while making it "elegant" is important, it's probably >> > more important to make it affordable. >> > >> > My Nexus phone is a damn fine phone, and I don't feel like I've been >> > left out of anything at all. >> > >> > >> > bp >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> > >> > On 10/5/2016 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/ >> >> >> >> It's taken a while, many years, but Google has finally admitted that >> >> Apple had it right all along... you have to control the hardware AND >> >> software to have an awesome product. This was Steve Job's goal from >> >> the very beginning with the Macintosh... and now everyone else is >> >> finally understanding. >> >> >> >> So now Google is copying everything Apple does... even down to the >> >> marketing materials. Every commercial they run (along with Samsung >> >> and everyone else) is always "this is why our product is better than >> >> Apple". If a company really believes that, you don't have to make the >> >> direct comparison. LOL >> >> >> >> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~Charles Caleb Colton >> >> >> >> Travis >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >
