You'd be surprised at the number of cyanogenmod downloads alone.

As of March 2015, it was on over 50 million unique device IDs.

That's one ROM. There's thousands.

On Oct 5, 2016 5:50 PM, "Travis Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> This literally made me laugh out loud... you realize this is less than 1%
> of 1% of the population? Why not just carry a laptop with you to do
> whatever you want?
>
> People just want their phones to work, period. They want to text,
> Facebook, Snap, Instagram, and take pics. There are probably 1,000 people
> total that need to do what you are talking about with their phones...
> that's a VERY small percentage. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 10/5/2016 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Just the fact that Apple now hides the file system from the user and makes
> it impossible to directly manipulate things is a deal breaker for me. I can
> understand why they did it, to stop people from shooting themselves in the
> foot.
>
> But there a myriad of things I can do on a OnePlus One running CyanogenMod
> that are impossible/restricted/locked down on an iPhone. With the right GUI
> tools and Termux a cyanogenmod phone is very close to a basic Linux shell
> system:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To some people, such as myself, openness matters as much as or more than
>> certain design aspects.  I used iPhones from 2008-2012 and did enjoy them,
>> but that was back when jailbreaking was more or less mainstream.  The fact
>> that I even had to jailbreak in the first place, though, to use *my* phone
>> the way that *I* wanted to bothered me, and I switched to Android when
>> Apple's code-signing BS got to be too much and actually ended up screwing
>> me over at one point.
>>
>> I'm not saying that code-signing is bad...it is great from a security
>> standpoint for the average user.  But if somebody desires to turn it off,
>> there should be a way for the owner of the phone to do so.  By all means,
>> make it a difficult process so that the bar to entry is high enough to
>> dissuade the average user from doing so, but make it *possible*.  Apple
>> doesn't just use code-signing for security, they also use it as a bludgeon
>> with which to bully their users.
>>
>> So if there is one aspect where I hope Google did *not* copy Apple in
>> this endeavor, it is this.  The bootloader on the new phones better darn
>> well be unlockable by the user without the user having to exploit a
>> security vulnerability to do so.
>>
>> -- Nathan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:31 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple
>>
>> Some people ride a Honda, some people ride a Harley. Some people drive a
>> Chevy, some people drive a BMW.
>>
>> I think it was you that even said "If the price was the same, everyone
>> would be using an iPhone"... which I honestly believe. I have used a
>> brand new Samsung phone with Android, and the first thing I noticed is
>> that the screen response is not the same as an iPhone... it's not as
>> smooth, or as refined. Yes, it works... it scrolls and it zooms and
>> resizes, just like a Chevy gets you from Point A to Point B... but if a
>> BMW was the same price as a Chevy, 99% of the population would be
>> driving BMW.
>>
>> Just my thoughts. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/2016 3:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > I will point out (again) that 8 to 9 of 10 smartphones on the planet
>> > are Android. So while making it "elegant" is important, it's probably
>> > more important to make it affordable.
>> >
>> > My Nexus phone is a damn fine phone, and I don't feel like I've been
>> > left out of anything at all.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> >
>> > On 10/5/2016 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>> >> https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/
>> >>
>> >> It's taken a while, many years, but Google has finally admitted that
>> >> Apple had it right all along... you have to control the hardware AND
>> >> software to have an awesome product. This was Steve Job's goal from
>> >> the very beginning with the Macintosh... and now everyone else is
>> >> finally understanding.
>> >>
>> >> So now Google is copying everything Apple does... even down to the
>> >> marketing materials.  Every commercial they run (along with Samsung
>> >> and everyone else) is always "this is why our product is better than
>> >> Apple". If a company really believes that, you don't have to make the
>> >> direct comparison. LOL
>> >>
>> >> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~Charles Caleb Colton
>> >>
>> >> Travis
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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