The day that Apple stops OSX from being functional as a proper *BSD-ish workstation is the day I switch off OSX...
As it is right now it is fairly easy to take a fresh OSX install, toggle the security option allowing you to install unsigned apps, oinstall XCode and MacPorts and have a full set of command line tools available with "sudo port -v install name-of-thing". https://www.macports.org/ On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > People also want their computers to work, period. I'm not sure I see the > difference. This device of mine that you call a "phone" is not actually a > phone. That's a misnomer. It is a pocket computer that happens to have a > phone app on it. > > > > There are a lot of circumstances today where I used to carry a laptop, but > I now carry a phone SO THAT I don't have to carry a laptop with me. > > > > The same kind of security model has been applied to so-called tablets, > which are basically touch-screen laptops without a keyboard on them, but > many of them can have a keyboard added if desired. This is not a phone vs. > computer debate. The form factor has little to do with the issue at hand. > Apple has even made steps that hint at them trying to do similar things to > the Mac. It may only be a matter of time until you can't even use a laptop > "to do whatever you want". > > > > -- Nathan > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:51 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple > > > > This literally made me laugh out loud... you realize this is less than 1% > of 1% of the population? Why not just carry a laptop with you to do > whatever you want? > > People just want their phones to work, period. They want to text, > Facebook, Snap, Instagram, and take pics. There are probably 1,000 people > total that need to do what you are talking about with their phones... > that's a VERY small percentage. :) > > Travis > > On 10/5/2016 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > > Just the fact that Apple now hides the file system from the user and makes > it impossible to directly manipulate things is a deal breaker for me. I can > understand why they did it, to stop people from shooting themselves in the > foot. > > But there a myriad of things I can do on a OnePlus One running CyanogenMod > that are impossible/restricted/locked down on an iPhone. With the right GUI > tools and Termux a cyanogenmod phone is very close to a basic Linux shell > system: > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en > > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > > To some people, such as myself, openness matters as much as or more than > certain design aspects. I used iPhones from 2008-2012 and did enjoy them, > but that was back when jailbreaking was more or less mainstream. The fact > that I even had to jailbreak in the first place, though, to use *my* phone > the way that *I* wanted to bothered me, and I switched to Android when > Apple's code-signing BS got to be too much and actually ended up screwing > me over at one point. > > I'm not saying that code-signing is bad...it is great from a security > standpoint for the average user. But if somebody desires to turn it off, > there should be a way for the owner of the phone to do so. By all means, > make it a difficult process so that the bar to entry is high enough to > dissuade the average user from doing so, but make it *possible*. Apple > doesn't just use code-signing for security, they also use it as a bludgeon > with which to bully their users. > > So if there is one aspect where I hope Google did *not* copy Apple in this > endeavor, it is this. The bootloader on the new phones better darn well be > unlockable by the user without the user having to exploit a security > vulnerability to do so. > > -- Nathan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 3:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google wants to be Apple > > Some people ride a Honda, some people ride a Harley. Some people drive a > Chevy, some people drive a BMW. > > I think it was you that even said "If the price was the same, everyone > would be using an iPhone"... which I honestly believe. I have used a > brand new Samsung phone with Android, and the first thing I noticed is > that the screen response is not the same as an iPhone... it's not as > smooth, or as refined. Yes, it works... it scrolls and it zooms and > resizes, just like a Chevy gets you from Point A to Point B... but if a > BMW was the same price as a Chevy, 99% of the population would be > driving BMW. > > Just my thoughts. :) > > Travis > > > On 10/5/2016 3:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I will point out (again) that 8 to 9 of 10 smartphones on the planet > > are Android. So while making it "elegant" is important, it's probably > > more important to make it affordable. > > > > My Nexus phone is a damn fine phone, and I don't feel like I've been > > left out of anything at all. > > > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/5/2016 1:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > >> https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/05/not-ok-google/ > >> > >> It's taken a while, many years, but Google has finally admitted that > >> Apple had it right all along... you have to control the hardware AND > >> software to have an awesome product. This was Steve Job's goal from > >> the very beginning with the Macintosh... and now everyone else is > >> finally understanding. > >> > >> So now Google is copying everything Apple does... even down to the > >> marketing materials. Every commercial they run (along with Samsung > >> and everyone else) is always "this is why our product is better than > >> Apple". If a company really believes that, you don't have to make the > >> direct comparison. LOL > >> > >> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~Charles Caleb Colton > >> > >> Travis > >> > > > > > > > > >
